Yes, this particular customer only has 36GB on the data volume. Thanks for reminding me about the deleted item retention, I totally forgot about that :)
-----Original Message----- From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 6:43 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: STM Question Think deleted items retention. Is there a reason you are so concerned with the size you had to run an offline defrag to reclaim white space that you most likely have already used?> --Kevinm KMAP-SR, M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond http://www.daughtry.ca/ For Graphics and WebDesign, GO here! -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Andrey Fyodorov Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 3:39 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: STM Question So... I have a server with 28GB EDB+STM size. Recently defragged offline with eseutil /d Ran a report with Mailbox Manager and it says that the total of all items in all users' mailboxes is ~20GB. Is this 8GB overhead created by the duplicity that exists between the EDB and STM files? -----Original Message----- From: Webb, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 6:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: STM Question Mostly complete. I wasn't as much asking a question about it as stating my dissatisfaction with the explanation in the Q article. More than just a pointer is put into the EDB file. A subset of the message properties are always promoted from the STM to the EDB. A further subset are always promoted when the message is read. The entirety of the message wouldn't be promoted unless it was modified (note that forwarding creates a copy of the message which will exist in the EDB completely. Also copying a message will result in a complete EDB copy). There are several points at which data is converted dynamically and discarded. There are also several points at which data is converted and retained. It is not as simple as your description or the KB describe it. But you knew that, I'm sure. Back to the beginning question - it is very likely that a lost STM file will result in lost data. However in an environment where most data is either Outlook generated, or has been migrated from Exchange 5.5, the loss may be less noticable. -----Original Message----- From: Jeffrey A. Beckham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 4:59 PM Posted To: Microsoft Exchange Conversation: STM Question Subject: RE: STM Question Information in the edb file is stored in MDBEF and the STM is MIME. When an SMTP message comes in from the outside, it is put into the STM file and a pointer to it is put into the EDB for the appropriate mailboxes. It will stay in the STM file (Mime format) even if read by an outlook client. It will only get converted to MDBEF and kept in the EDB if the message is then modified and saved. If a new message is created in outlook it goes in the EDB file. It is done this way to cut back on the conversion that had to be done for every SMTP message from MIME to MDBEF. -----Original Message----- From: Webb, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 3:34 PM Posted To: Exchange Discussion List Conversation: STM Question Subject: RE: STM Question Sort of. But the equation of "MAPI" and moreover MAPI Properties with "Rich Text Format" is just wrong. How exactly do you convert a date to rich text format? What does that mean? IMHO that article does little to definitively explain what content is where and when. It raises lots more questions though. Andy -----Original Message----- From: Neil Hobson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Thursday, May 23, 2002 9:03 AM Posted To: Microsoft Exchange Conversation: STM Question Subject: RE: STM Question Q232323 might clear things up a bit. Neil -----Original Message----- From: Felicity Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: 23 May 2002 14:58 Posted To: Swynk Exchange List Conversation: STM Question Subject: RE: STM Question Mark, are you sure about this? and if so can you send me any references to it? I thought that all content is stored in it's native format in the Exchange Store. So Mapi is stored as RTF, HTML as HTML, a Word Doc as a word doc. Some of the properties are stored in the priv1.edb, but everything else is stored in the STM. I am basing this on what I read and when I open up the priv1.edb and the priv1.stm in notepad. You have to stop the server to be able to do this. I also am looking at the copies of these files in C:\Program Files\Exchsvr\MDBdata. TIA --Felicity > If all your clients are MAPI based (i.e. Outlook) then in all > likelihood you have not lost much at all since any attachments > originally delivered to the STM will have been converted to a > MAPI-readable copy in the EDB file. Only new messages with > internet-formatted content which had not yet been opened by a MAPI > client would have been in the STM and not in the EDB as well. > > Mark > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Sander Van Butzelaar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: 23 May 2002 14:28 > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: STM Question > > > > > > Not that I can see. As soon as we were back lots of mail that was > > being held flooded in. I did have the "up-to-date" edb file, al be > > it somewhat corrupt..:-)What could have been lost, as some of my > > other stm files are about a Gig or so? They opened attachments and > > all seemed to be there. > > > > Tks > > > > Sander > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: 23 May 2002 03:22 > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: STM Question > > > > > > Did you lose any mail? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Sander Van Butzelaar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 4:52 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: STM Question > > > > > > Thank you Jeffrey!! > > > > It repaired some corruption in the tables and created a new stm > > file. Whenever you are in Cape Town, the first couple of beers are > > on my tap! > > > > Tks > > > > Sander > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jeffrey A. 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