what's a "microsoft"..? -rdg Motto: "With Felicity, who misses Tener?"
-----Original Message----- From: Dupler, Craig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 12:42 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging & collaboration (Unified Messaging) Microsoft has from time to time said some things on the record that were later determined to be within the scope of NDA's and outside what they really want to talk about. Which is a long winded way of saying that I know the answer to your question, and you can find some public references to the facts that you would like to discuss, but I would have to shoot you and myself if I told you or pointed you to them. But that much being said, the following should be obvious: Microsoft still has several hundred (if not thousands) employed on Exchange related development activities. There are more people working on future versions of the product than were on the original Touchdown (4.0) team. They must be doing something. Also, they are a highly motivated and competitive company. It would be silly to think that they are standing still. By one count, back in 1997 Microsoft had eight separate and blessed from on high strategies for storage. Even they came to the conclusion that this was a problem and needed to e resolved. I forget exactly when it was, but there was an announcement a few years ago that SQL won the internal war as their strategic direction for storage. None of this should be taken to infer that Microsoft (or any of their competitors that I'm aware of) has figured out storage in the sense of the grand unification that was proposed as a part of the aborted project Cairo architecture back in 1994. But, understanding Cairo IMHO is still a baseline requirement for understanding most of their strategic moves. And, we are a very long ways away from the day when any NT based container can simply have an attribute "mailbox" applied to it, or when any AD managed object can have an attribute "mailable" applied to it. But, wouldn't those be nice things to have? -----Original Message----- From: Felicity Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 8:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Messaging & collaboration (Unified Messaging) I just heard back from one of my contacts at Microsoft. He said that he can't comment on it. But he did say that there are some wild theories out there. "Some are crazy and some are more sane" --Felicity > Sadly enough, true. Conclusion: unless it is a released product there is > nothing you can really rely on, even a press announcement. > > <Sig /> > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 3:38 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: Messaging & collaboration (Unified Messaging) > >=20 > > At ATE 2 years ago, we spent a lot of time answering questions about > the > > amazing E2K WebDav features in Outlook 2002 based on the presentations > > given > > there eh Sig? I don't exactly trust things I read on > > http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/default.asp as gospel either. > >=20 > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Siegfried Weber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 8:25 AM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: Messaging & collaboration (Unified Messaging) > > > > > > > > > From the http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/20879.html: > > > > > > <quote> > > > The pending announcement is vitally important for Microsoft, > > > because the rumors suggest that Kodiak, the next major > > > release of Exchange Server, will use Yukon as its store > > > rather than the current JET/EDB/ESE storage engine. If that > > > is the case, then Yukon will need to handle the extraordinary > > > storage flexibility that Exchange Server offers today. </quote> > > > > > > Read it closely. It doesn't say the next version of Exchange. > > > It talks a about a future MAJOR release code named Kodiak. > > > Also note that both articles is from 07/08/2001, about a year > > > old! I wouldn't count on anything which isn't officially from > > > Microsoft and current. > > > > > > And of course, these are all rumors unless it is officially > > > confirmed in public by Microsoft. So, unless I read it on > > > http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/default.asp I do not > > > believe it is true. > > > > > > Can we now get back to our daily work and stop feeding the rumor > mill? > > > > > > <Siegfried /> > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Felicity Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 3:17 PM > > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > Subject: RE: Messaging & collaboration (Unified Messaging) > > > > > > > > I apologize for leading anyone astray, but Siegfried I was > > > absolutely > > > > stunned to hear you say it wasn't so. I have been > > > following this for > > > a > > > > long time and I though it was a done deal. > > > > > > > > Please give me your comments on the following links. > > > > > > > > http://www.dnjonline.com/TechEd2001/reports/sess_keynote_jon.html > > > > > > > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/20879.html > > > > > > > > I am checking with a few of my SQL contacts who work for > > > Microsoft to > > > hear > > > > what they can officially say about this. I know a few who work on > > > part of > > > > the teams who are involved in the SQL.NET File System which > > > you may or > > > may > > > > not know if very similar to WSS, and is optimized for handling the > > > sort of > > > > non-rectangular record sets that Exchange has. > > > > > > > > --Felicity > > > > > Neither will ESE98 being ported to SQL Server nor does the next > > > version > > > > > of Exchange have an SQL Server based database engine. > > > > > > > > > > As I mentioned already. Please check that information with the > > > source > > > > > you got it from and stop posting plain wrong information > > > here which > > > > > might confuse other people. > > > > > > > > > > <Siegfried /> > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Felicity Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 2:21 PM > > > > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > > > Subject: RE: Messaging & collaboration (Unified Messaging) = > =3D20 > > > > > > I know that, I was making a dumb joke about the fact that SQL > > > Server > > > > > will > > > > > > be providing the next database engine for the next version of > > > > > Exchange. > > > > > > And the code name for the next version of SQL Server is > > > Yukon. =3D20 > > > > > > Can you confirm that ESE98 is being ported to SQL Server? > > > > > >=3D20 > > > > > > TIA > > > > > >=3D20 > > > > > > --Felicity > > > > > > > The next version of Exchange is not codenamed Yukon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > William ____________________________________________________ > > > > > > > *Titanium* Racing Bikes > > > > > > > "Why ride when you can fly?" - William Lefkovics > > > > > > > www.airborne.net > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of > > > Felicity > > > > > Smith > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 7:05 PM > > > > > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > > > > Subject: RE: Messaging & collaboration (Unified Messaging) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unified Messaging is faceing pressures from two opposite > > > directions. > > > > > > > One from Americans with Disabilities Act which > > > requires greater > > > > > richness > > > > > > > - ie text to voice, braille, etc, and at the opposite pole - > > > greater > > > > > > > thinness - ie minimalism for text based phones - which strip > > > away > > > > > all > > > > > > > conten but text, and then compress words for instance > > > - removing > > > > > vowels, > > > > > > > TLA's etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MIS will now be included with the next version of > > > Exchange (code > > > > > name > > > > > > > Yukon). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Felicity > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That'd be worth reading. I'm _still_ nicking odd > > > quotes from > > > you > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I need to compare messaging to dial-tone availability :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: Dupler, Craig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 00:13 > > > > > > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: Messaging & collaboration (Unified Messaging) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Catch me in the right mood and maybe I will do a > > > data dump for > > > you > > > > > . . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: Leonard Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 21:33 > > > > > > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > > > > > Subject: Messaging & collaboration (Unified Messaging) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Iam looking for information on: > > > > > > > > 1. Messaging & Collaboration > > > > > > > > 2. Unified Messaging > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The type of information I am looking for is on: > > > > > > > > 1. Why it is happening (who it is for) > > > > > > > > 2. Who is making it happening (vendors) > > > > > > > > 3. How is it happening (solutions) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking for Articles? 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