And you keep on practicing self-delusion. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I Tech Consultant hp Services Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of kanee Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 4:03 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Veritas Netbackup error on MSX 5.5 you keep on crusading ed.... -----Original Message----- From: Cebuly, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 12:56 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Veritas Netbackup error on MSX 5.5 A possible alternative: http://www.ontrack.com/powercontrols/ -----Original Message----- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 10:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Veritas Netbackup error on MSX 5.5 I'm so happy you haven't had a single problem with them. That still doesn't mean that you need it. If you want to waste your time, tape and keep going on deluding yourself, please go right ahead. I answer thousands of posts in this and other forums and there are very many from people who have had problem with brick backups. I will continue crusading against a superfluous feature. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I Tech Consultant hp Services Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of kanee Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 3:23 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Veritas Netbackup error on MSX 5.5 i have a total of 3600 mailboxes and i do a blb daily included in my full backup of the exchange server, with each mailbox an average of 1gb and i have a fiber AIT tape library and use backupexec8.6 and i have not had a single issue with blb. Yes its true it takes longer than if you dont use blb and yes its true it increases the tape space beeded, but those are not good enough reasons to say "Oh BLB sucks, you absolutely should never use BLB" Backup exec is one of the if not the best backup software for exchange brick level backups. Arcserve users do not bother with BLB. Obviously i dont do BLB on all my servers, i do use deleted item retension, i have 82 sites with 114 exchange servers, we dont use blb on all of them, but we do use blb on exchange servers that hold all the high level execs mailboxes. -----Original Message----- From: "Pe�a, Botp" [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 3:04 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Veritas Netbackup error on MSX 5.5 Hi Kanee, I do use blb, but only for a chosen few. I have to do this since it was consuming our backup window and our tape (we have other things besides mail :-). I love blb folder level backup. It save me once (my boss gave me thumbs up when I recovered his beloved folder in minutes :-). I love the mailbox backup level too, it save me once, too (an admin screwed up with exmerge, wiping out a dozen mailboxes :-). Suffice it to say, blb is a great feature poorly implemented (by the backup sw or by exchange or both). If blb can backup w the speed and optimization of _normal_ dir/info store backup, then I will go back to doing full blb again. This is just humble opinion only. Thanks -botp > -----Original Message----- > From: kanee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 10:23 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Veritas Netbackup error on MSX 5.5 > > > All you funny guys have not given me a single reason as to why you > should not do brick level back ups and your comments carry no value > unless you back it up with some substance..and hope none of funny cats > are using arcserve as your backup product, if you are i understand why > you are so scared of brick level backups... > > -----Original Message----- > From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 8:36 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Veritas Netbackup error on MSX 5.5 > > > LOL! It's funny. > > I insert one little word and I agree with you: > > ITS ABSOLUTELY NECCESSARY TO *NOT* DO BRICK LEVEL BACKUPS, IT WILL > SAVE YOU SO MUCH HEADACHE AND HEART ACHE LATER..TRUST ME. > > William > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of kanee > Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 4:32 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Veritas Netbackup error on MSX 5.5 > > > This has been a known issue with veritas products. The mapi32.dll file > is very sensitive and reports errors on messages as cannot open and > thus will show the status of backup as failed. There isnt really much > you can do about this, except ask the user to delete the message its > referencing in the error message from his mailbox and empty > it from deleted items. > > I have spent some time with veritas and they point fingers at > microsoft and i spoke to microsoft and they point the fingers back to > veritas, veritas knows of this issue and they say they are looking at > a solution and should be out in the next build for backup exec8.6, i > know you use netbackup so maybe you should look into their next build > for netbackup. Even though this error pops up and the overall status > of the backup job shows up as failed, the backup in actuality is > successful, you can restore the users mailbox and the only > thing missing would be those messages that it reported as > corrupted or cannot open. So dont loose any sleep over this > you are fine. > > dONT LISTEN TO PEOPLE TELLING YOU NOT TO DO BRICK LEVEL BACKUPS, ITS > ABSOLUTELY NECCESSARY TO DO BRICK LEVEL BACKUPS, IT WILL SAVE YOU SO > MUCH HEADACHE AND HEART ACHE LATER..TRUST ME. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kulwinder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 10:31 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Veritas Netbackup error on MSX 5.5 > > > Thanks for the info. > > > > > > Well then, might i suggest, as Andy and no doubt other admins would > > recommend, that you should stop doing BLB's. Here are a few > links for > > you to ponder over. > > > > http://mail.tekscan.com/nomailboxes.htm > > > > http://www.exchangefaq.org/recovery/0004.php3 > > > > Regards > > > > Mr Louis Joyce > > Data Support Analyst > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kulwinder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: 10 June 2002 15:21 > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: Veritas Netbackup error on MSX 5.5 > > > > > > we get the error when doing a BLB only. when doing normal full > > backups of the store - everything is fine - the mailbox > account that > > we use has the exchange service account set as the nt > account, sop has > > > the permissions set. > > > > > > > Im sorry, im getting confused now. Do you get the error > when doing a > > > > brick level back-up? Or when you just back up the store > on its own? > > > > > > Are you saying you only carry out BLB's when you get this type of > > > error? > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Mr Louis Joyce > > > Data Support Specialist > > > BT Ignite eSolutions > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Kulwinder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: 10 June 2002 14:53 > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: Veritas Netbackup error on MSX 5.5 > > > > > > > > > We do carryout Brick-level backups for when this occurs. > > > > > > > > > > Are you carrying out bricklevel backups? > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Mr Louis Joyce > > > > Data Support Specialist > > > > BT Ignite eSolutions > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Kulwinder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: 10 June 2002 10:14 > > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > Subject: RE: Veritas Netbackup error on MSX 5.5 > > > > > > > > > > > > Permissons are setup fine, because normal backups work, and also > > > > the > > error > > > > comes up on only some mailboxes and others work fine, > which to be > > > > shows that permissions are setup fine. "Service account admin" > > > > rights on the > > IS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would check all the permissions on the Information store. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Mr Louis Joyce > > > > > Data Support Specialist > > > > > BT Ignite eSolutions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Kulwinder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > Sent: 10 June 2002 09:55 > > > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > > Subject: Veritas Netbackup error on MSX 5.5 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We use netbackup from Veritas as a backup solution. when we > > > > > perform mailbox backups we get the following error on some > > > > > mailboxes. I have looked and dealt with veritas and they are > > > > > saying its an exchange > > issue > > > > > and not veritas. Has anyone got any idea what could > be causing > > > > > this > > and > > > a > > > > > possible solution. > > > > > > > > > > Error we get. > > > > > > > > > > 06/09/2002 08:14:29 mastersrv ourserver.domain.com > from client > > > > > ourserver.domain.com: WRN - can't open Exchange > Mailbox message: > > > > > > ?UsersLastname, Usersfirstname? 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