Chris,

> On average you will find some of the most exchange knowledgeable people on
> this list. You'll also find them, on average, to be extremely helpful.

I don't dispute this. The "Boy if I had only known" comment was to suggest
if I had know about the crap for asking a question.

> Well, there is no link. The scope of your query wasn't limited to just a
> link. If it was, you'd have gotten the answer you wanted. But your
> reason(ing) is circular, and when complaining about our inability to think
> it a rational manner that's kinds funny.

See other reply. (Again, what did you think I wanted. Could you try to
define what the scope of MY query was?)
As far as you telling me my reasoning is circular...huh? Do even know what
you meant by using that word? I did not say that there was a link or that
there even was an answer! I can see as how you might have interpreted that
but I can't control your thought process.

> In general we're also pretty busy.

This is like saying "Oh ya! Apples are red!" totally irrelevant. What does
time have to do with this? Stick to the topic.

> So if you'd taken the time to properly
> phrase your technical question you would have saved all of us (yourself
> included a lot of time).

That was my best shot at asking the question. How could I have gotten more
technical with out having more knowledge of the subject.
That is what circular reasoning is: Ask a more technical question of
something you do not know the technical information about.

> Did you read the FAQ before you posted? If you had, you might have saved
> yourself from the perceived condescension you feel you've been subjected
to.
> Based on the question you /asked/ the responses were reasonable. Perhaps
the
> fact the question was completely ignored the first time you asked it
should
> have served as a clue that it needed some work. Your insistence on
reposting
> it without further revision or comment speaks volumes.

I did read the FAQ sometime ago. I will admit that you are right on this
point. Maybe I should have reworded my post. I have had problems before,
where my posts did not make it through and I thought this might have been
the case. 
On the other hand, I feel my post was stating exactly what I wanted. Could
you rewrite for me to show me how it should have read? I WAS looking for
some form of documentation on IMC logging, let me see it how you would have
done it?

> Now, if your feelings are just too hurt, there are a number of other
> Exchange forums you might try. You'll find a heavy overlap of the top
> contributors in those forums as well, but who knows... You might get lucky
> and someone will tell you "there is no link" or do a ton of work to
satisfy
> your seemingly idle curiosity.

Are we in 1st grade? No. My feeling are not hurt. I was just I little taken
by the arrogance of the replies I received, which you seem to think are OK.
What is wrong with idle curiosity? If you have a problem with asking
questions as a form of learning that is ok, but it doesn't mean everyone
thinks that way.


Joe Rojas


-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 10:18 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: IMC Logging Levels? (take 2)

Joe,

On average you will find some of the most exchange knowledgeable people on
this list. You'll also find them, on average, to be extremely helpful.

> The reason, that seemed obvious to me, that I asked the
> question was to have a link or something that would have
> taken about 10 seconds to type that would have pointed me it
> the right direction.

Well, there is no link. The scope of your query wasn't limited to just a
link. If it was, you'd have gotten the answer you wanted. But your
reason(ing) is circular, and when complaining about our inability to think
it a rational manner that's kinds funny.

>I thought to myself...Hey,
> these guys seem pretty smart on this list, let me ask them.
> Boy, if I had only known...wow!

In general we're also pretty busy. So if you'd taken the time to properly
phrase your technical question you would have saved all of us (yourself
included a lot of time).

> Go back and read those replies that you guys wrote. They
> sound kind of silly huh?

I've reread mine and find a distinct lack of silliness or irrational
thought. Perhaps you can enlighten me.

> I was referred to this list by someone who mentioned that the
> people here are a great help...he forgot to mention the
> condescending comments that I you have to endure to get that help...


Did you read the FAQ before you posted? If you had, you might have saved
yourself from the perceived condescension you feel you've been subjected to.
Based on the question you /asked/ the responses were reasonable. Perhaps the
fact the question was completely ignored the first time you asked it should
have served as a clue that it needed some work. Your insistence on reposting
it without further revision or comment speaks volumes.

Now, if your feelings are just too hurt, there are a number of other
Exchange forums you might try. You'll find a heavy overlap of the top
contributors in those forums as well, but who knows... You might get lucky
and someone will tell you "there is no link" or do a ton of work to satisfy
your seemingly idle curiosity.

Chris Scharff
MVP Exchange

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