I got some sticks here, and I want you all to come get one so we can all
keep beating this dead horse!

Come on ya'll, let's drop it and move along.  Us regular folk are quite
tired of hearing one way and another about this.  A good rule of thumb
would be, if you don't like what's on the list, remove yourself from it,
or, if you don't like someone in particular on the list, put them in
your kill-file.



Have a pleasant day!

Bob Sadler
City of Leawood, KS, USA
Internet/WAN Specialist
913-339-6700 x194
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net] 
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 5:19 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


Perhaps you should read your e-mails before you send them. Just cause
you wrote something down and it sounds one way in your head doesn't
meant that it will sound the same way on the other end.

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 1:02 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


I guess the #include humor.h module wasn't loaded for you this morning.
I'd suggest that the spelling remark was only rude to a subset of the
32% of admins who actually could spell RBL and thus understood the barb.
As a journalism major, with an English minor I am quite concerned about
any grammatical errors I might have made in the comment you are
referring to. Would you please be so kind as to point out my grammar
errors so that I might endeavor to eliminate them from my future
postings?

Now, as to your point that my statement that of the 32% of mail
administrators who can spell RBL many are unable to comprehend the
implications of it: I've made more than 8,000 replies in various public
forums in the last 12 months. I've read over 50,000 threads during that
same period. It's been a relatively slow year for me, but even if we
take those low water numbers back 4 years it's still a fairly
substantial number of administrators and posts that I've encountered.
Based on that vast experience with and exposure to mail administrators
around the world, I find it highly likely that 16% or more of mail
administrators don't understand fully the implications of the RBL
technology they are using and or advocating.

It has nothing to do with being smart or dumb. It has to do with being
knowledgeable about a particular issue or technology. My comments were
not directed at any particular individual user on this list and were
more accurately a diatribe against the technology than those who choose
to implement it. I'm sorry you chose to misinterpret my comments.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Walsh, Ric [mailto:Walshr@;national-citymortgage.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 1:52 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> 
> Ok your "spelling" remark was rude to all of us.
> 
> You following remark despite it's poor grammar seems to say that the
> rest of us are dumber that you. I'd have to say that it was ALL rude.
> 
> Ric Walsh
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:       Walsh, Ric
> > Sent:       Thursday, October 31, 2002 10:32 AM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject:    RE: RBL's
> >
> > Ok what makes you such a wizard? Also add the word rude to that.
> > Have
> you
> > though of taking an anger management class?
> >
> > Ric Walsh
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:     Chris Scharff [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent:     Wednesday, October 23, 2002 5:22 PM
> > > To:       Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject:  RE: RBL's
> > >
> > > I'd guess 68% or more of mail admins are unable to even spell RBL.

> > > The majority of the remainder is unable to comprehend the
> > > implications of
> > the
> > > functionality on their environment, whether they understand how it

> > > actually works or not.
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: William Lefkovics [mailto:william@;techsanctuary.org]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 4:16 PM
> > > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > That's a little harsh. (I love it when you're harsh...)
> > > >
> > > > Do you mean they are not aware of it, or they are unable to
> > > > comprehend its functionality?
> > > >
> > > > William
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > [mailto:bounce-exchange-104116@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Chris
> > > > Scharff
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:49 PM
> > > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 97.25% of mail admins are too stupid to understand what an RBL
> > > > actually is/does. I for one hope they continue to rely on 3rd 
> > > > parties to provide the functionality, otherwise I'll likely have

> > > > to join you in phoning stupid admins to tell them why RBL $foo
> > > > is costing their company business.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Chris Scharff, MVP MCSE
> > > > EMS Sales Engineer
> > > > MessageOne
> > > > 512.652.4500 x-244
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Darcy Adams [mailto:Darcy.Adams@;gettyimages.com]
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:42 PM
> > > > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > > > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Still 3rd party.  I was at a meeting at MS on Monday night and

> > > > > the current stance on that is that they're "thinking about
> > > > > possibly" including RBL support in a future release.
> > > > >
> > > > > Darcy
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Matt Natkin [mailto:mnatkin@;natco-inc.com]
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:50 PM
> > > > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > > > Subject: RBL's
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hey does exchange 2k have a rbl feature or is this 3rd party?
> > > >
> > > >
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