I always advocate setting up IM servers. Not only does it torment the IT guys who have to support that piece of crap, their worthless managers have the perfect micromanagement technology at their fingertips. I know one who loves to watch for people to go to some sort of status indicating slackness, then send an email marked high priority with read and delivery receipts turned on to that person asking WHY they've been idle for the last 2.43 minutes and counting?
Craig is right. It's vile and inhuman. And that's why I, a vile, inhuman, planet-crushing deity support it 100%. (:= -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:bounce-exchange-274642@;ls.swynk.com]On Behalf Of Dupler, Craig Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 1:01 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Instant Messaging Troubleshooting Hi Greg. This reminds me of the days when Ed C. called you Deckler the heckler. How have you been? I thought that nobody was going to pick-up the bait that I threw out there. I thought it was sort of like throwing a copy of the beatitudes or some Gandhi quotes into a debate about what to do about Saddam. So being a semi-troglodyte / Luddite curmudgeon, I'll respond and see if anyone else jumps in. All of this is preceded with IMHO . . . At the heart of IM is the server which is maintaining a dynamic list of who is on line at the moment. Currently location is not an attribute in that data, but will be once the whole E-911 scenario is sorted out. There are two ways of looking at the server. In one (the one most people think about) it is purely a client view. You sign on and then ask others who are already there to be added to their lists or permission to add them to your lists. My second objection deals with this view of the technology. Some managers will see this as an opportunity to keep track of people and reserve the right to interrupt spasmodically (I like that word). PHB idiots will abuse this possibility in an almost endless array of ways that are demeaning and insulting. The first objection deals with a perspective that I don't believe most people even consider. The server to provide information about who is on line to applications through an API (probably a form of an LDAP query). This could be used for behavior tracking and advertising pushes - think of it as a cookie that is on the server instead of local. Perhaps AOL and MSN will not use it for that - but do you believe that? If so, I have a land deal in the Everglades that I would like to discuss. The very last thing that people should want to do is subscribe to a presence technology that is not purely peer-to-peer. Sometimes I think that techies have all of the worst characteristics of Robert Teller - the one guy on the Manhattan Project that would not have understood even one tiny scintilla what Jeff Goldbloom's character said in Jurassic Park, "just because you can do it doesn't mean you should." IM is a vile and inhuman technology. I think it is pathetic that people are drawn to it sort of like moths to a zap light or flies to flypaper.. -----Original Message----- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:greg@;infonition.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 2:48 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Instant Messaging Troubleshooting So IM is vile and inhuman technology, but email isn't? :) I have to say, you've always got a different perspective on things, Craig! I have to admit that if you have the time, I would personally LOVE to hear your thoughts on this subject. You always had good insights on UM and other technologies back in the day. I know it is probably off topic for the list, but this list generates so much noise anyway... > IM is vile and inhuman technology, especially in the hands of carriers and > others with capitalist motives; but it can also move us back toward 19th > century attitudes about employee-management relations. We should launch a > campaign to stamp it out. > > I just thought I'd throw that out there. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Harford [mailto:mark.harford@;bbc.co.uk] > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 9:44 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Instant Messaging Troubleshooting > > > So "gold" is also the server name? > > I'm not familiar with IM on non-default virtual servers so the only > other troubleshooting step I can suggest is to try signing in using the > actual IM address as shown in ADUC on your account. Presumably > [EMAIL PROTECTED]? > > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jonathan [mailto:jwright@;spectore.com] > Sent: 04 November 2002 17:07 > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Instant Messaging Troubleshooting > > > Thanks for your reply. > > I am using [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the IM logon. My DNS is setup with the > SRV record under the _tcp folder listed as: > > rvp service location [0][0][80] gold.domain.com > > A Host record for the server (which has IM, E2K, IIS running on it) was > dynamically added to the DNS: > > gold A 192.168.xxx.xxx > > I think I should also mention that our web service and Exchange is on > the same server gold.domain.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > BBCi at http://www.bbc.co.uk/ > > This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain > personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically > stated. > If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do > not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in > reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. 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