List server solutions do the job and inexpensive, the issue can be that
your now maintain lists separate from Exchange.  

If the member is someone who seldom interacts with your organization,
this is generally not a problem.  If the member also in in your GAL, you
no longer have a single directory.  These means your now administering
contacts in multiple places.   

Forgive the promo but if you want to keep everything in Exchange, you
may want to look at Imanami.  Imanami's applications can keep your
exchange objects in sync with external data sources and automatically
maintain your dynamic groups.  Imanami also provides the ability to
designate certain groups as public and allow your users to opt-in/out to
these lists via a webpage.  

Check out Imanami at www.imanami.com

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob Hackney
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 7:38 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Mass Mailings


I've been tasked with running similar stuff over the pond here. I've
tried a few if the cheaper versions you can get off download.com and
they were pretty rubbish. If you're looking for a decent opt-out one
then I'm testing Lyris List Manager which seems to test ok so far. And
it's only $500.

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 03 September 2003 15:26
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Mass Mailings


Your ISP isn't going to do anything; you're the city of San Antonio. But
a sub-domain with its own originating IP does help in case that gets
blacklisted by $random moron. You could get blacklisted no matter how
careful you are just because there are idiots out there who will use any
random blacklist that just happens to exist... and some of them are
managed by.. well, as part of my kinder/gentler persona I'll stop there.

The monthly San Antonio Parks & Rec newsletter is highly unlikely to be
seen as spam IMO.

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Martinez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 9:12 AM
Posted To: swynk
Conversation: Mass Mailings
Subject: RE: Mass Mailings

I'am more concerned about being blacklisted also as Martin stated mass
mail through my ISP (SBC).  Should I consider setting up an additional
domain/server to accomplish this in order to avoid being blacklisted or
are there any other ways to get around this?

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 8:23 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Mass Mailings


[1]I've sent such things though Exchange before... no problems in terms
of volume, but you may consider a majordomo or mailman (or similar) box
and a sub-domain of @lists.sanantonio.gov to manage such mailings. 

[1] Hi Chris!

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Martinez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 7:46 AM
Posted To: swynk
Conversation: Mass Mailings
Subject: Mass Mailings

Hello All-

        We currently have a division that is requesting to be able to
send mass mails through our server to opt-in recipients of a monthly
newsletter, this would be upwards of 70,000 pieces per month and will
increase as required.  My question is has anyone received similar
requests and how were they handled?  The division head assures me that
this list will be maintained and kept up to date and users who request
to be removed from the list will be, they currently outsource this
project and want to bring it in-house to save money.  I believe in the
long run this will cause more problems than the savings will add up to,
any suggestions would be appreciated.

TIA

Chris




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