I will state this again for the 11 millionth and 1 time now. Accepting direct gifts from third parties, especially significant gifts such as large dollar items and titles, presents a real or perceived conflict of interest between an IT professional's client (either the customer or company that he or she works for) and that third party.
This is the most very basic definition of conflict of interest. One cannot serve two masters. If you have been given something, and ESPECIALLY if it is something significant that can be taken away, then it presents a conflict of interest. This, from an ethical, perspective is wrong. This is the logic and the conclusion. It is as simple as that. It is not only what I believe but WHY I believe it. If someone can prove to me that this argument is illogical or flawed in some way, then I would believe something else. I am not close-minded or stubborn. Thus far, nobody has proven this argument to be flawed in any way. A lot of personal attacks, I have been called a wife beater, a liar and someone who starves children, but no one has refuted this most basic argument. I have never wavered from this argument, this has been the argument since the beginning that this all started. This is why companies tell their employees that they must send back gifts in excess of a certain dollar amount. This is BASIC ETHICS. Regardless of whether MCSE is unethical or whatever crazy argument you want to throw at it, this is basic ethics people. If you want to change my mind, then prove the above argument false. Simple as that. Now, I don't bring this stuff up. All it causes is this kind of craziness. Other people bring this stuff up. Exactly why is a mystery to me. Look at the subject of this message thread for Christ's sake. Are you kidding me? And it is not like I even threw in one of my whimsical Microsoft barbs. If someone is going to bring this stuff up, I am always, ALWAYS going to stick to this perspective and explain things the way I see them. Nobody has proven this logic wrong in 8 years. But, hey, I'm willing to think that someone might. There may be a flaw in there somewhere, that I do not see. And all this nonsense about "tone" and stating things as "my opinion" is all crap, a waste of bytes and besides the point. People read what they want to read in my posts, plain and simple. What is straight talk to one person is rude to another. What is polite to one is rambling, annoying and pointless to another. There are way too many people in this world to try to please so I speak in my own voice. It is a matter of fact voice that sticks to known facts and logic. If you are offended by my posts, well, there is not much I can do. I am not going to worry over every word and sentence for perfect structure and politeness. I simply do not have the time. > First of all, from a grammatical point-of-view, you only need to state that > it is your opinion at the beginning of a paragraph or passage because it is > fundamentally understood that follows the first phrase or sentence further > backs up your opinion. > > It is my opinion that you are more worried about reveling in your moral and > symantec righteousness than achieving the mental clarity to realize that > your 1200 word marathon responses make you look like a total prat. But that > is just my opinion. > > Disagreement is a necessary part of life and the human condition. If we all > got along, we'd all think the same way and life would get very dull. You > can disagree with someone (even with Ed) without saying they are wrong. > This is the difference between stating a fact vs. opinion. By saying that > someone is wrong, you are implying that you are correct and your reasons are > based upon fact or accepted truth. > > Allrightythen! I guess this means that we aren't due to bring this topic up > until June. Thanks for the comic relief, Greg! > > Eric Fretz > > L-3 Communications > ComCept Division > 2800 Discovery Blvd. > Rockwall, TX 75032 > tel: 972.772.7501 > fax: 972.772.7510 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 12:50 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 > > > In my opinion, there are those with the opinion that stating anything as a > fact and not an opinion is abrasive and rude. In my opinion, this opinion is > absurd because it is fundamentally understood that anything that comes out > of anyone's mouth is simply an opinion and not a fact. In my opinion, there > may be some people with the opinion that people should not go around stating > their opinions. But, in my opinion, everyone has opinions and it gets rather > monotonous and boring to keep stating "in my opinion" all the time when, in > my opinion, it should be understood that everything is an opinion. > > In my opinion, people have opinions about lots of things that they consider > facts. In my opinion, there are many that hold the opinion that the earth is > round. But, in my opinion, this is simply an opinion as, in my opinion, > there are others that hold the opinion that the earth is flat. In my > opinion, this all depends on your opinion of the words "earth", "round" and > "flat". In my opinion, if, in your opinion, the word "round" refers to a > 2-dimensional circular object, then, in my opinion, your opinion would be > that the earth is not round since, in my opinion, your opinion would be that > the earth would be a sphere, and not round. Of couse, in my opinion, if your > opinion was that a sphere is perfectly symmetrical such that all points on > its surface are equal distance from its center, then, in my opinion, your > opinion about the earth being a sphere might be wrong since, in my opinion, > there are those that hold the opinion that the earth is not a perfect sphere > but is actually a bit elliptical in shape. In addition, in my opinion, there > are elevation variations on the surface of the earth as well which would > mean that, in my opinion, the earth does not meet the definition of a sphere > if your opinion is that a sphere means that all points on the surface of a > 3-d object are equal distance from its center. > > Now, of course, in my opinion, this is all just my opinion. But, in my > opinion, the bigger concern here is that, in your opinion, are you happy > now? > > > I was not arguing with you about the symantics between fact & opinion, > > just rather pointing out that you tend to assert your opinions as > > fact. That is a very abrasive personality trait and probably explains > > why the discussion list has reacted to you the way that they have. > > > > Eric Fretz > > > > L-3 Communications > > ComCept Division > > 2800 Discovery Blvd. > > Rockwall, TX 75032 > > tel: 972.772.7501 > > fax: 972.772.7510 > > _________________________________________________________________ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Web Interface: > http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&lang > =english > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
