I will have to agree with Sherry here. We all had Sexual harassment training here at our company, and the two main things that were stressed is that the company is responsible for what happens over it's equipment, and how offenses are handled by their employees. If someone is receiving say porno emails on the company email server, and someone sees it, and reports it, the company is required to take whatever action they have to to stop the infractions. Once the company has been notified then if the company does not take action it is most definitely responsible, as is any company employee who did not directly take some action to correct the problem. An example would be a manager who just told the employee "Don't read those emails when she is around". That employee is now directly responceable, and can be sued along with the company. I would think if you know this is happening, you should at least report it to someone in you management team, maybe the HR dept head, just so you can get you butt out of the Laywer target zone. Also I agree with Sherry the one thing our lawyers stressed was that every employee has to know they are being monitored. IF THEY ARE NOT TOLD THEY HAVE NO PRIVACY, THEN THEY HAVE AN EXPECTATION OF PRIVACY! What this means is if the PHB in question fires somebody because of emails found during his unannounced snooping then it will not hold up in court. One thing no body has talked about in this discussion is bandwidth. I really could care less about what our employees do on the system, so long as they don't screw it up, but when someone here was using our T-1 as his own private music download source, and everyone else was complaining that the Internet was slow, and it was, it's was time to crack the whip on that person. He was eventually fired, and if he did not want to work here, then I could care less, because at 17 hours a week of web surfing he was worth employing. One more example would be the chain letters so many lusers are fond of. I monitored this, and found that on average the pattern of these looks somewhat like this. Step 1 Single chain letter comes in. Step 2 Original user sends letter to 5 others in house and 13 out of house. Step 3 Secondary in-house people send to 1 to 3 others in house and 5 to 15 people out of house. Step 4 Ten percent of the out of house People who were sent the email send it back in often to the people who sent it to them. Step 5 One or two complete lusers see the thing they sent out yesterday come back from the people they send it to, and go "Duh I haven't seen this before", and send it around again. I have seen on chain mail circulate for 10 days. Now think about how many jokes come in, and figure they multiply on the same schedule. Multiply this by an easy 5 to 19 emails a week coming in, and that's some number of emails chewing up your bandwidth. John Majetic
-----Original Message----- From: Abercrombie, Sherry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 12:22 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 5.5 Question.... Well I just have to jump in here on this interesting discussion. I have just finished researching and writing a report on the legal issues of monitoring/not monitoring email and web surfing. What it boils down to is that a company IS legally responsible for what is contained in their email and the content of what they are surfing on the internet. If there are complaints about the content of what a person has on their computer (either in email or on the internet) that is perceived to be offensive to someone else and a lawsuit ensues, the company will be liable. The flip side to that is that a company MUST publish their internet/email acceptable use/monitoring policy for their employees so there is NO question about what is ok. Very interesting research and information, it is not a waste of company resources or finances if it prevents a costly lawsuit. My .02 cents worth! Sherry -----Original Message----- From: Drewski [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 3:18 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 5.5 Question.... Depends on your business model. :P Certainly, there are instances when a manager would need to monitor email. -- Drew ******************************** Visit http://www.drewncapris.net <http://www.drewncapris.net> ! Go! Go there now! Only those who risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go.- T.S. Eliot -----Original Message----- From: Cross, Tom [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 3:10 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 5.5 Question.... I just get really frustrated with people that want to monitor e-mail. Throw a disclaimer out there and some scare tactics, but don't actually dig around. No one will want to work in that environment. And who wants a bunch of unhappy people working for them because they're afraid to go against the grain. There is nothing good to gain from this sort of stuff. Tom -----Original Message----- From: Drewski [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 3:59 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 5.5 Question.... I don't suggest that alternatives not be offered. But if it's "do it or clean out your desk", well, for the past three years, I've been in the position of covering my ass, and following orders. -- Drew ******************************** Visit http://www.drewncapris.net <http://www.drewncapris.net> ! Go! Go there now! Dictators ride to and fro upon tigers which they dare not dismount. And the tigers are getting hungry. - Winston Churchill -----Original Message----- From: Cross, Tom [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 2:45 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 5.5 Question.... I'm a firm believer that if you can do a good job, be positive, and get along with others, you'll survive. Sometimes it takes someone to grow some balls and jump some links in the chain of command. Not just to burn someone, but to sincerely stand up for what you think is right. There are far too many yes men/women in the IT field. If the big boys and girls don't like your style, you don't belong there. Life is too short. Tom -----Original Message----- From: Drewski [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 3:36 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 5.5 Question.... Can't always do that... Would you have quite your job four weeks ago? -- Drew ******************************** Visit http://www.drewncapris.net <http://www.drewncapris.net> ! Go! Go there now! "In Germany, the Nazis came for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time there was no one left to speak for me." Martin Niemoller -----Original Message----- From: Salvador Manzo [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 2:27 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 5.5 Question.... If my boss were to insist on requesting that level of monitoring, I'd call it a Resume Generating Event and be done with it. -----Original Message----- From: Scot Parsons [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 12:19 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 5.5 Question.... When his boss figures that out, the poor guy's next project will be to crunch the e-mails in some type of report writer to ease his snooping. I've been there before. My former boss wanted e-mail, voicemail, yesterdays panties....you name it. -----Original Message----- From: William Lefkovics [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 1:57 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 5.5 Question.... I can't imagine someone going through the 2200 emails I get per day. -----Original Message----- From: Martey, Emmanuel E [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 10:50 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 5.5 Question.... Is he a spy?. He should be too busy for that. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> < mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > ] Sent: 25/02/2002 17:44 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 5.5 Question.... Why even that? 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