Just goes to show that HR people should not do any hiring. They should left to deal with "sensitivity issues". I hate their cookie cutter mentality. OK I just hate being squeezed into the mold. Matt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Toni, Randy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "MS-Exchange Admin Issues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:57 AM Subject: RE: WLKMMAS
> Hey - Exchange list - PLEASE HELP - I have a crisis situation with Exchange > and I need some quick assistance!!! (note -- only those with min. Bachelor's > degree, MCSE, CCNA, CNE, UCC+WCA and at least a half-dozen-or-so other > relevant or irrelevant certifications will be considered qualified to donate > their time and effort in responding to this urgent plea for help)... > > One of the best summer students we ever had was majoring in Industrial > Relations and had mostly fast-food on his CV (not literally, of course, but > that would have been interesting too). All the applicants got an interview > (thankfully) so he got his turn and this kid's attitude was excellent. > Turned out to be a quick learner with a solid attitude and a great sense of > humor who just happened to like PC's as a hobby. We called him back for 2 > more stints and he was always an excellent worker. Sadly, he probably > wouldn't have made it through the filters based on what was on paper if > there had been a ton of applicants. Fortunately there were only a small > number of students so he got his chance. I wish all those hiring could be > as enlightened as your place and look beyond the paper - there are some > dynamite people out there who never get a shot. Those who define the model > employee by their paper-trail do these people (and themselves) a great > disservice. > > Most of what I really need to know I learn from those with real world > experience like the fine folks on this list (with our without their > "papers"). My degree is a milestone to me - an accomplishment to be > followed by an ongoing dose of reality-based-learning. Beyond that, it does > a nice job of covering some of the plaster cracks in my dingy little office. > There are good reasons to get a degree / cert -- to me it's a challenge and > I wish I could take on that challenge more often (and I have a lot more > plaster cracks to cover), but there are also lots of good people who just > choose not to go that route and many of them are brilliant and have > consistently helped me out when I needed it. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Lynn Karen [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 8:48 AM > > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > > Subject: RE: WLKMMAS > > > > Which is all true, but the last three or so times we've recruited here > > we've tended to weight experience way above degrees (or certainly relevant > > degrees) based in the light of experience. > > > > We've had people with apparently relevant degrees who haven't recognised > > one end of a PC from the other - and people with no formal IT > > qualifications who've been brilliant. Geology degrees seem to be the best > > indicator (she says, totally unbiased - but the Geology undergraduate who > > just wanted a summer job was excellent ... we kept dragging him back until > > he finally got himself a real IT job!) > > > > Karen > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Snook, Kevin S (ITD) [ <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] > > > Sent: 04 April 2002 15:17 > > > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > > > Subject: RE: WLKMMAS > > > > > > > > > a) You won't be able to get a job outside the US - most > > > countries require a > > > minimum academic qualification for immigration now (there are > > > exceptions - > > > Canada and Australia being the main ones) > > > b) Simple fact is though you won't even get invited for > > > interview at a lot > > > of companies. Most large consultancies are like this. > > > > > > So to say you can "choose your own career path" is simply not true. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Ely, Don [ <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] > > > Sent: 04 April 2002 14:16 > > > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > > > Subject: RE: WLKMMAS > > > > > > > > > I would have to disagree with you there... The > > > certifications I hold are > > > worth more than any outdated college degree and I'm moving > > > right along in > > > the ranks. If done correctly, one can choose their own career path. > > > > > > Don Ely > > > Network Engineer > > > Tripath Imaging, Inc. > > > (336) 290-8293 - Direct > > > (336) 516-4519 - Mobile > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] - email > > > <http://www.tripathimaging.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Lesaca, Wally R. [ <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 9:39 PM > > > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > > > Subject: RE: WLKMMAS > > > > > > > > > It's good you know so many things. > > > But always remember, you will always remain a handicapped > > > when it comes to > > > degree earned. > > > > > > Companies always look for candidates who are college/degree > > > holders. Career > > > paths are well defined. > > > > > > Much better if you will go back to college and prepare yourself for a > > > brighter future. > > > > > > God bless! > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Mike Zatkalik [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:43 AM > > > > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > > > > Subject: RE: WLKMMAS > > > > > > > > LMFAO!!!!!!!!!! On a side note, just because I am interested in > > > > knowing a little about people before I start trying things people > > > > suggest, what is "your" background, ie MSCE, MCP, MBA, MD, no > > > > college/never graduated with a degree? The reason I ask is > > > I went to > > > > college for 1 1/2 years, ran out of $$$$$$$ and left > > > college, decided > > > > I didn't know what I wanted to do with my life, so I > > > started working > > > > with computers and just kept with it. I have no > > > certifications, all > > > > my knowledge is based on real world situations and reading through > > > > groups like this and "playing" on test machines. I have > > > been able to > > > > mess with a lot of different technology such as: wireless > > > networking, > > > > SAN's, ip based phones, POTS/PBX lines, AS400's, SCO, > > > Linux, DOS, 9x, > > > > NT/2k and much more. That being said, is there any real reason to > > > > have something on paper saying I am a MCSE, MCP, CCNA, GOB > > > (Good ol' > > > > Boy), etc? If you were hiring someone, how much weight does paper > > > > have in regards to real world of IT/IS? I am content with > > > my current > > > > position as sys admin, but just curious as my parents are > > > still asking > > > > me if I plan to go back to college at some point, I am a > > > youngin, 25. > > > > I don't think, at this point in time, there is ANY reason to get a > > > > degree, but think that maybe some extra letters on my name > > > might get > > > > me more money/better title/more respect. Hope I don't get > > > flamed for > > > > stealing the thread, but I thought this kinda fit in with > > > the OT bone > > > > head questions. Thoughts or comments please? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Kevin Miller [ <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 5:38 PM > > > > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > > > > Subject: RE: WLKMMAS > > > > > > > > > > > > My child at age 2 " daddy if I came from inside of mommie, > > > and you and > > > > mom made me, where you ever in mommie? > > > > > > > > How is that for an answer? > > > > > > > > --Kevinm CHFR, M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond > > > <http://www.daughtry.ca/> > > > > For Graphics and WebDesign, GO here! > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Clayton [ <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 2:15 PM > > > > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > > > > Subject: RE: WLKMMAS > > > > > > > > > > > > Kevin, I'm an MCSE. Where do babies come from? > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Kevin Miller [ <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] > > > > Sent: April 3, 2002 6:13 PM > > > > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > > > > Subject: RE: WLKMMAS > > > > > > > > > > > > In a fit or rage from answering extreme bone head Questions from > > > > MCSE's I added a ton of letters after my name with a tag > > > line of "More > > > > letters after my name makes me SmArTER" Oh man did I get flamed on > > > > that one. In true Don Ely style I flamed back, But in the > > > end gave up > > > > the tag line. keeping some of the letters. Over time others > > > have given > > > > me new letters with meaning and here they are. > > > > > > > > WLKMMAS=William Lefkovics Kevin Miller Mutual Appreciation > > > Society [1] > > > > UCC+WCA=Urban Computer Commando + Wall Climbing Ability [2] > > > > > > > > [1] an inside joke between William and my self > > > > [2] Late on an all weekend upgrade, had no keys to an > > > office that held > > > > some servers. I managed over the wall in the drop ceiling > > > to get stuck > > > > above the door in the small hole, for about 10 minutes. > > > Finally made > > > > it out and went back up and tried again. This time making it over. > > > > > > > > That is my story and I am sticking to it.. : > > > > > > > > > www.wlkmmas.org > > > > > > > > --Kevinm CHFR, M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond > > > <http://www.daughtry.ca/> > > > > For Graphics and WebDesign, GO here! > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Tim Boswell [ <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 1:49 PM > > > > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > > > > Subject: OT: WLKMMAS > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, I've been trying to hold it in, but it's no good.... > > > > > > > > What the hell does that acronym mean??!?!? I checked Google and the > > > > only results I saw involved Kevin!! Is this some bizarre > > > practice of > > > > putting random letters after your name to try and look > > > qualified? If > > > > so I gotta try it (my boss genuinely wouldn't catch on....ever) > > > > > > > > Tim Boswell QWE+RTY, UIOP(2.0), SkillDrill Certified (hey, > > > that last > > > > one's genuine too!) > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Kevin Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: "MS-Exchange Admin Issues" > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 4:05 PM > > > > Subject: RE: Exchange server reboot simple q > > > > > > > > > > > > I like you = ] you got Spunk.. When you don't have " Broke > > > ass shit " > > > > -Don Ely Why touch it? > > > > > > > > --Kevinm CHFR, M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond > > > <http://www.daughtry.ca/> > > > > For Graphics and WebDesign, GO here! > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Brent Hudson [ <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 6:32 AM > > > > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > > > > Subject: RE: Exchange server reboot simple q > > > > > > > > > > > > It aint broke yet so I aint fixin nuthing.. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Ray Zorz [ <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] > > > > Sent: 02 April 2002 04:31 > > > > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > > > > Subject: RE: Exchange server reboot simple q > > > > > > > > > > > > wow, no service packs. that's wonderful. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Brent Hudson [ <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] > > > > Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 11:28 PM > > > > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > > > > Subject: RE: Exchange server reboot simple q > > > > > > > > > > > > The only reasons to reboot are: > > > > 1) A badly setup server > > > > 2) A lazy / Ignorant / uninformed administrator > > > > 3) Real hardware problems.. > > > > > > > > I've and exchange 5.5 box in another office that has not > > > been rebooted > > > > since July 2000 (and that was a faulty UPS causing a power out).. > > > > > > > > Later > > > > Brent > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] > > > > Sent: 01 April 2002 09:12 > > > > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > > > > Subject: RE: Exchange server reboot simple q > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't reboot unless I absolutely have to. This includes network > > > > equipment as well as servers. If you have to reboot things on a > > > > monthly basis for "network stability", there is an > > > underlying problem > > > > that should be addressed. > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > -K.Borndale > > > > IT Manager > > > > Sybari Software > > > > 631.630.8569 -direct dial > > > > 631.439.0689 -fax > > > > <http://www.sybari.com> > > > > "One man's ceiling is another man's floor" > > > > > > > > > > > > |---------+----------------------------> > > > > | | "Joe Irvine" | > > > > | | <jirvine@tbopayro| > > > > | | ll.com> | > > > > | | | > > > > | | 04/01/2002 11:53 | > > > > | | AM | > > > > | | Please respond to| > > > > | | "MS-Exchange | > > > > | | Admin Issues" | > > > > | | | > > > > |---------+----------------------------> > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > >-- > > > > >---- > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ---------| > > > > | > > > > | > > > > | To: "MS-Exchange Admin Issues" > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > | > > > > | cc: > > > > | > > > > | Subject: RE: Exchange server reboot simple q > > > > | > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > >-- > > > > >---- > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ---------| > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I cold-boot my entire network once a month.. it works wonders for > > > > network stability. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > Joe Irvine > > > > Director of Information Technology > > > > The Business Office, Inc. > > > > (609) 597-1155, Fax (609) 597-2860 > > > > www.tbopayroll.com > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Paul Green [ <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] > > > > Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 10:46 AM > > > > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > > > > Subject: Exchange server reboot simple q > > > > > > > > > > > > Just curious-- how often do people reboot their exchange > > > servers? Or > > > > do you? Our exchange server has been up for 7 months > > > straight now w/o > > > > a reboot. I am wondering if it would be a good idea to > > > reboot it every > > > > now and then-- free up any memory leakages, etc.. Is it > > > necessary, or > > > > can I let it just keep chugging away until it is necessary? Any > > > > input, thoughts, etc. would be great. 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