Agreed, any type of degree will show a hiring manager that the applicant has some degree of "stick to it - ivness" and a measure of intelligence, however small. I certainly wouldn't want to hire someone then have to turn around and hire another body for the same position when the going got rough and the first applicant wimped out and went somewhere else.
John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 Be not afraid of growing slowly, be afraid only of standing still. --Chinese Proverb -----Original Message----- From: Murray Freeman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 2:05 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: WLKMMAS No degree guarantees anything either competency or a job. BUT, and that's a BIG but, most organizations looking for help in middle to upper level management not only require College Degrees, but they also want graduate degrees as well. And when I say middle management, I'm talking network system administrators. These are not entry level jobs. But even entry level jobs in current market conditions are requiring undergraduate degrees. Do I agree, NO! But, that's how they separate "the wheat from the chaff" BEFORE the interview. Murray -----Original Message----- From: Ray Zorz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 12:57 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: WLKMMAS Grow Up? Toga! Toga! -----Original Message----- From: Missy Koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 11:11 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: WLKMMAS I'd tell 'em to go to college. If for no other reason than to take the opportunity to learn things like philosophy and to grow up a bit. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Zorz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "MS-Exchange Admin Issues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 11:53 AM Subject: RE: WLKMMAS I'll agree that getting a college degree, or certs, does not guarantee competency. Not all doctors and lawyers are competent any more than all MCSE's are competent. You still have to prove yourself. The problem is somebody has to give you a chance. Unfortunately, having MCSE's on staff is part of the marketing hype used to sell services. You, and other MVPs, have kind of transcended the need for a MS cert, but you're probably more the exception rather than the rule. It does seem, though, that many of the MVPs do have MS Certs. I don't know what I'd tell a high school senior that wants to get into a technical career. -----Original Message----- From: Missy Koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 9:25 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: WLKMMAS Re: b) I don't think that's true in most cases. Many of the great consultants I work with (or have had working for me when I was in a regular company) didn't have degrees. And I don't have a degree (or any certs, for that matter), and I certainly seem to have had zero problems finding a job with a "large consultancy". BUT... I do think that college degrees are valuable things, and wouldn't mind having one. Finding time to go back and get one at this point is something I'd like to do, but other things keep cropping up and I haven't dedicated myself to doing it yet. Missy Koslosky Sr. Technology Consultant Compaq Global Services List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
