The Postini feature is called "Null Sender Disposition" and is a feature
and that can be enabled/disabled at will.  It is intended as one of the
ways to combat the NDRs generated by spammers forging your e-mail
addresses.  Depending on what class of service the company is using
(through a reseller or directly from Postini) it may not be able to be
managed by them directly.  However, they could have just recently turned
it on because of those NDRs.

 

Description of the feature from Postini:  Choose where to send messages
that do not have an SMTP (envelope) sender address. These messages are
usually non-delivery reports (NDRs).

 

 

From: Wulff Jr, Ronald J. [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 1:44 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Postini blocking based on ENV sender field being blank

 

Oddly enough, we seem to have figured this out.  It seems that when some
of our DL's were created, they were checked to "Not send delivery
reports"

 

That was blanking out the return path on the messages, and just leaving
the from field populated.

 

Postini must have recently changed something to start causing us issues
as these have been like this for years, but at least now we can fix it
on our side

 

Ronald Wulff Jr 
412.288.3601 
[email protected] 

Reed Smith LLP 
20 Stanwix St

Suite 1200
Pittsburgh, PA 15222

 

From: Wulff Jr, Ronald J. [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 10:21 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Postini blocking based on ENV sender field being blank

 

LOL, that may be worth a try

 

Ronald Wulff Jr 
412.288.3601 
[email protected] 

Reed Smith LLP 
20 Stanwix St

Suite 1200
Pittsburgh, PA 15222

 

From: Campbell, Rob [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 10:17 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Postini blocking based on ENV sender field being blank

 

You could try asking for the log entry and see if they send you the
headers.

 

________________________________

From: Wulff Jr, Ronald J. [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 9:13 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Postini blocking based on ENV sender field being blank

 

We tried that too, but they sent us back this.  We are now waiting for a
tech to contact us again

 

>From Postini

 

exprod8mx271.postini.com:2009/07/07 14:36:25 IP:199.125.201.23
SID:c77dc9170386697d To:[email protected] u207275662:i100008522
To:[email protected] u204931628:i100008522 To:[email protected]
u205218651:i100008522 To:[email protected] u200772404:i100008522
Header:1264 Size:6883 virus:4(0)
Disp:q{nullsend},q{nullsend},q{nullsend},q{nullsend}

 

 

Ronald Wulff Jr 
412.288.3601 
[email protected] 

Reed Smith LLP 
20 Stanwix St

Suite 1200
Pittsburgh, PA 15222

 

From: Campbell, Rob [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 10:10 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Postini blocking based on ENV sender field being blank

 

Then Postini is accepting the emails, and then dropping them.

 

Ask them if they can give you one of the dropped emails, and check the
headers against one that went through.

 

________________________________

From: Wulff Jr, Ronald J. [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 9:08 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Postini blocking based on ENV sender field being blank

 

Nope, we get nothing back.  In fact, we didn't even know there was an
issue until one of the recipients called our user because they never
received the message

 

Ronald Wulff Jr 
412.288.3601 
[email protected] 

Reed Smith LLP 
20 Stanwix St

Suite 1200
Pittsburgh, PA 15222

 

From: Campbell, Rob [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 10:06 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Postini blocking based on ENV sender field being blank

 

Are you getting an NDR from Postini?

 

________________________________

From: Wulff Jr, Ronald J. [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 9:02 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Postini blocking based on ENV sender field being blank

 

Recently we have run into an issue with Postini, and as always, their
support staff seems to be lacking in explaining what is going on, so I
turn to you fine people.

 

We have some DL's setup in our Exchange/AD organization that have
external contacts in them

 

When we send to these DL's, and recipients who use Postini as a service
are not getting our messages.

 

Postini says that the messages are coming across with no Envelope Sender
information.

 

These messages are being sent via Outlook 2003.  

 

>From my understanding, a message has both an Envelope sender, and a
"from" address, which can vary.  

 

However, I am not certain why one of these addresses would be getting
removed when using these DL's, as we can email the recipients on a one
off basis with zero issues.

 

Anyone have any thoughts?

 

thanks

 

Ronald Wulff Jr 
412.288.3601 
[email protected] 

Reed Smith LLP 
20 Stanwix St

Suite 1200
Pittsburgh, PA 15222

 

 

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