Well, I thought the topic is "iPhone experience"; and my experience was as disappointing and somewhat unusable the same way Bob's was - until I Jailbreak'd.
Discussions are fluid, and their focus shifts with every point of view expressed. My iPhone was forced on me by my employer in order to properly support it within the user-base. It was a fact of life before I got here, and I cant do anything about it. Its not my choice. But, lets get back on point... I don't see what was "disingenuous" about my reply to Bob. Did I lack candor? Was I fake or deceptive in my reply? Am I being deceptive or not noble to my intentions? Or is it my naivety? I havent been called disingenuous before, so I looked that up just to be sure... :-) I'm pretty sure the posters in this discussion have all discussed or read of the faux pas of Jailbreaking on this and other lists - and if you have ever Jailbreak'd an iPhone; you'd know there are disclaimers up-the-wazoo on the sites that host it, as well as in the apps that do the patching: That you are doing something that is technically illegal. Making firmware modifications or using third-party drop in of any sort is almost always on shaky legal ground. I dont see the difference, or why one would be implied in this forum. We've talked about these things for years in regards to routing devices and various phone customizations (typically home routers and Windows Mobile phones). Its funny, because whenever someone wants to get better access control with a home router, there are plenty of recommendations for DD-WRT. But Jailbreaking... Well, thats the talk of the debil! Maybe the debil just needs to come up with a less sinister sounding methodology, or some better PR. Its phone firmware customization. Whoopty-doo. When someone comes to me and asks me if they can do this or that, or talk about something they heard or read, I give them all the options and answers I am aware of. I also give them all the consequences of those options. Jailbreak-related discontent surprises me when firmware customization has been an acceptable topic of conversation in many previous non Apple-related threads before it. And the concequences of those custimizations are all the same. Bob said he stopped using something because it couldn't be used in a way to his liking. I say, there is an alternative to do what you would like. If he or anyone was to engage further in that line of discussion, it would eventually, and logically, lead to the logistics of future updates as well as the legalities involved. However, I don't see the need to compliment my short and frank reference of real-world experience in making it work, with an essay extolling the virtues of being true to one's vendor's EULA for products that you own. Apple is not special. Its just another phone with limited Exchange integration. -- ME2 On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 6:43 PM, Ben Scott <[email protected]> wrote: > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 6:29 PM, Micheal Espinola Jr > <[email protected]> wrote: > > I didnt say to pin it on anything. I said it can be done; which is true. > > That's disingenuous. The whole conversation is about using the > iPhone in a business environment. > > > We discuss firmware hacks and alternates for all sorts of > > devices on the Sunbelt list without complaint. Why is the iPhone so > > different? > > As I understand it: Jailbreaking the iPhone is on shaky legal > ground, per license and service agreements between Apple+AT&T and the > subscriber. I could be wrong. > > -- Ben > > >
