We got a new one a few years back, with a new-fangled digital display and all...
When it came time to roll the clocks back (or spring forward I can't remember), it took us 10 minutes to figure it out. Don Guyer Windows Systems Engineer Datasafe Platform Enterprise Technology Group Fiserv don.gu...@fiserv.com Office: 1-800-523-7282 x 1673 Fax: 610-233-0404 www.fiserv.com -----Original Message----- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 3:56 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT:ish - I'm beginning to *really* hate OL2010 LOL! On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 17:12, Michael B. Smith <mich...@smithcons.com> wrote: > I HATE new ovens. I can't use them. They are worthless to me. We sent one > back (an LG model) because we couldn't figure out the interface. > > Regards, > > Michael B. Smith > Consultant and Exchange MVP > http://TheEssentialExchange.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 6:00 PM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: Re: OT:ish - I'm beginning to *really* hate OL2010 > > The major interface on my refrigerate doesn't normally change between > models, nor is it so complex as to stymie using it for its intended > function. Ditto for my car. > > If, in order for my car to get better gas mileage, or to be reliable, > I were to have to push 4 more buttons and adjust 3 more levers, I'd > surely bitch about that. > > Change is not good. It is merely inevitable, but it should not be > confused with progress, which is not inevitable. For a refresher, I > refer you to Win NT4 SP2. Or perhaps the acquisition of various > companies by McAfee and CA. Those were changes, but they were hardly > progress. > > Kurt > > On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 14:28, Matt Moore <mattmoore...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> Why on gods green earth would you want to follow such a ridiculous notion? >> Why would you want to make something just a little better? Where I come >> from, that's called "sand bagging". When you go to buy a new car, do you >> look for one that's just a little better? When you buy a new fridge do you >> look for one that save just a little more electricity? Why would you want >> that in software? Where would the world be if the only operating system was >> UNIX? I'd hazard a guess we'd be stuck in the 60's as computers would not >> be in use by the general population. They would be out of reach for all but >> a very few. >> >> If I may coin a phrase....... Who moved my cheese! Change is good embrace >> it! >> >> M >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 9:16 AM >> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues >> Subject: Re: OT:ish - I'm beginning to *really* hate OL2010 >> >> POLA is about producing the minimum changes necessary in the user experience >> and in program behavior. The complete makeover of the UI for Outlook (and >> Office) is an excellent example of violation of POLA. >> Outlook does not behave as I'd expect, because they've changed the user >> interface dramatically. >> >> - Right clicking on an email doesn't produce the menu item expected. And, >> in fact, they've hidden the option away, so that you have to work to get at >> it. As a saving grace, now that it's configured I can get at it from the >> keyboard, using Alt and 3. That's actually pretty nice. >> >> - Rearranging and lengthening of the keystroke sequences needed to perform >> other tasks is a major change of of the UI as well. I will probably >> eventually get used to it, but it'll take a while. >> >> Now, I actually do like a lot about the new version. Its configurability is >> pretty darn wonderful - the ability to make those addins is great. I'm sure >> there are lots of other 'under the covers' >> improvements, too. >> >> To answer your last question: What kind of option is the SMTP header? >> It's not any kind of option, but the ability to view it is a required >> option, and hiding it is a silly move. It's actually much more important >> than any of the other menu options they added in, and I have long thought >> that it would be a really good UI improvement to be able to expand/collapse >> the display header to show or not show the headers. >> Accessible via the keyboard, of course. >> >> If MSFT can make Outlook so configurable, why not make the context menus >> configurable as well? >> >> Heck, why didn't they keep the old UI, and advertise a quick menu option to >> switch to the new UI for those who wanted it? >> >> Kurt >> >> On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 07:01, Joe Pochedley <joe.poched...@fivesgroup.com> >> wrote: >>> POLA is about action (reaction to a user action). It's not about >>> content... Outlook still behaves as I'd expect... Right clicking on a >>> message still produces the same action of opening a context sensitive menu >>> of actions that can be performed on a message... POLA does not state that >>> the contents of the menu can never change though..... If we try to say >>> that POLA applies to the contents of context sensitive menus, then we can >>> essentially never change the menu or add/remove options from it! >>> >>> If we want to say that contents violate POLA.. I might argue is that >>> the result of clicking "Message Options" violates POLA... When I >>> choose an item that says Message Options, I don’t expect to see SMTP >>> headers... (What kind of "Option" is the SMTP header?) :) >>> >>> Joe Pochedley >>> Network & Telecommunications Manager >>> Fives North American Combustion, Inc. >>> v: +1 216.206.5505 >>> f: +1 216.641.7852 >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 9:06 AM >>> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues >>> Subject: Re: OT:ish - I'm beginning to *really* hate OL2010 >>> >>> Found this yesterday late, after much searching. >>> >>> It's kinda beside the point, though I'm glad to have it. >>> >>> I'll state the main point of my rant again: Massive UI and functionality >>> changes violate POLA, and those responsible should be beaten about the head >>> and shoulders until they learn the lesson or are incapable of doing it >>> again, or both. >>> >>> Kurt >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 03:45, Joe Pochedley <joe.poched...@fivesgroup.com> >>> wrote: >>>> For those lamenting the missing “Message Options” from the right >>>> click menu, try this: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On the Quick Access Toolbar (from Outlook’s main window).. The Quick >>>> Access toolbar is the one normally above the File, Home, View, etc >>>> tabs…. Click the drop down arrow to customize the toolbar… >>>> >>>> Select More Commands >>>> >>>> Choose Commands From > (All Commands) >>>> >>>> Scroll down to find Message Options >>>> >>>> Add Message Options to the toolbar… >>>> >>>> Click OK…. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Now you’ve got Message Options directly available from the main >>>> Outlook window… Highlight your message, click the toolbar button and >>>> enjoy your headers. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> HTH >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Joe Pochedley >>>> >>>> Network & Telecommunications Manager >>>> >>>> Fives North American Combustion, Inc. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: David Liu [mailto:ganymed...@gmail.com] >>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 11:21 PM >>>> >>>> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues >>>> Cc: Robert Peterson >>>> Subject: Re: OT:ish - I'm beginning to *really* hate OL2010 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> are you sure this is not in OL 2k3? In 2k10 I dont see a Messdage >>>> Options option. I had to add the button for Message Headers to QuickAccess >>>> Toolbar. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 7:25 PM, Robert Peterson >>>> <robert.peter...@prin.edu> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Right click on the message and select Message Options, the header >>>> info is then visible without opening the email. >>>> >>>> Of course... it still helps to rant. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] >>>> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 5:57 PM >>>> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues >>>> >>>> Subject: OT:ish - I'm beginning to *really* hate OL2010 >>>> >>>> Sorry, just had to say this... >>>> >>>> <rant> >>>> Aside from the fact that they changed (lengthened and obfuscated) the >>>> keystrokes that I used since, oh, at least OL97, now I can't find the >>>> headers in an email in my inbox. >>>> >>>> I've got an email that's sitting in my inbox, and I don't want to >>>> open it, but I want to find the headers. >>>> >>>> I used to be able to open the context menu for the message >>>> (right-mouse click, or use the Windows context key) and select >>>> Options, which revealed, among other things, the headers. >>>> >>>> I'm not finding that anywhere, and googling reveals that either I >>>> have to open the email, or do this: >>>> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/gg622917.aspx >>>> >>>> I think it's long past time we visit the Redmond campus with >>>> pitchforks and torches. >>>> >>>> I have to build a C# addin to get this info now? >>>> >>>> Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, Over? >>>> >>>> Sheesh. >>>> </rant> >>>> >>>> Kurt >>>> >>>> --- >>>> To manage subscriptions click here: >>>> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >>>> or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com >>>> with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist >>>> >>>> --- >>>> To manage subscriptions click here: >>>> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >>>> or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com >>>> with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --- >>>> To manage subscriptions click here: >>>> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >>>> or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com >>>> with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist >>>> >>>> --- >>>> To manage subscriptions click here: >>>> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >>>> or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com >>>> with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist >>> >>> --- >>> To manage subscriptions click here: >>> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >>> or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com >>> with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist >>> >>> >>> >>> --- >>> To manage subscriptions click here: >>> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >>> or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com >>> with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist >> >> --- >> To manage subscriptions click here: >> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >> or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com >> with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist >> >> >> >> --- >> To manage subscriptions click here: >> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >> or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com >> with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist >> >> > > --- > To manage subscriptions click here: > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com > with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist > > > --- > To manage subscriptions click here: > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com > with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
