--On Friday, September 2, 2005 12:17 +0100 Adam Funk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

...

Since many of you believe that residential customers should be forced to
route all their mail through their ISPs' smarthosts, I think it follows
that ISPs have a duty to provide reliable outgoing SMTP to their
customers.

Well, hold on a minute. Is that true? Certainly lots of us subscribe to lists of dial-up and ADSL hosts, and don't accept mail from them. That's because - according to some reports - some huge proportion of them (25%?) are spambots.

However, it probably isn't true that anyone is insisting that anyone uses their ISP's smarthost. For example, here at the University of Sussex, we provide a smarthost for all of our students and staff. Now, some ISPs won't let people connect to our smarthost on port 25 - so we provide MSA on port 587. See <http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2476.html>. So all our users have at least two options.

Finally, they can also go elsewhere to find smarthost services. For example, they could buy a hosted server, or virtual server, or virtual domain.

So you do have several choices. I don't know whether you were going to rely in whole or in part on the argument that you had no choice - but you can't really make that argument. If your ISP starts to intercept or block traffic on port 587, then you would have a good argument.


My ISP however claims that "The e-mail is a free service provided by us
and therefore no compensation can be offered for downtime of this
service."  (It also claims this about everything other than
connectivity: in other words, everything else is a free service, for
which we have no responsibility, which we provide to people who pay for
an internet connection.)

I believe this violates the (UK) Unfair Contract Terms Act 1977 and am
planning to make a formal complaint to Ofcom about it, so I'd
appreciate any arguments [1], comments and references to support this
case.

--
Thanks,
Adam

[1] "An argument is not just a contradiction!" (quoted from memory:
might not be exactly right)



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Ian Eiloart
Servers Team
Sussex University ITS


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