On Thu, 29 Sep 2005, Alun wrote:

> My ACL says:

For clarification please - is this at HELO time?  When we originally 
set ours up (admittedly some years back now), we found that rejection 
at HELO time would provoke some offering MTAs into repeated retries - 
in some cases, very aggressively so. I suspect "drop" would be even 
worse...?

So we deferred rejection until RCPT time, which seemed to be the most 
effective way of getting them off our backs.  OK, true, some peer 
MTA-like objects (a certain majority vendor comes to mind) then have a 
habit of hiding our actual error report, and lying to the would-be 
sender that the intended recipient does not exist - but that's not our 
responsibility...

I have to admit that we didn't review what would happen nowadays if we 
moved the rejection back to the earlier phase.  We just left it where 
it was.

>   drop condition = ${if or {\
>                 {eq {$sender_helo_name}{[$interface_address]}}\
>                 {eq {$sender_helo_name}{$interface_address}}\
>                 {eq {$sender_helo_name}{$primary_hostname}}\
>                 {eq {$sender_helo_name}{aber.ac.uk}}\
>                 {eq {$sender_helo_name}{mailserv.aber.ac.uk}}\
>                 {eq {$sender_helo_name}{mailserv2.aber.ac.uk}}\
>                 }{yes}{no}}
> 
> This happens before greylisting and has matched 28,565 attempts since 
> Sunday

Have you been looking-out specifically for retry patterns in response 
to that stanza, could you say, please?


By the way, if we're doing numbers, I should stress that the numbers 
which I mentioned, were basically for one department (even though I 
mentioned several domains within).

I could add that (rather obviously) the fakers who present a 
particular domain of ours in the HELO are also presenting a recipient 
address in that specific domain.  At least, that appears to be the 
regular pattern of their behaviour.  So I suppose the proportion of 
each domain that's presented in HELO ought to be measured against the 
number of attempts to spam addresses in that respective domain.

cheers

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