On Sunday 20 November 2005 21:11, Jeremy Harris wrote:

> > What about some responsibility among blacklist operators?  Why not
> > provide a way for users who pass some tests to register dyndns-type
> > hostnames for whitelisting?
>
> At risk of being regarded as rude and unhelpful, 

Not at all.

> I'd suggest 
> that such is not the list operator's job.  They're merely
> offering a list to MTA admins, not dictating that it be used
> nor how.  If the MTA admins want to punch holes in a list
> used as a blacklist, perhaps by overlaying a different list
> used as a whitelist, they can.  If they want to maintain
> such a list, intended to be used as a whitelist, they can -
> and if they want to offer that list to others, they can.
>
> In the meantime, any argument should be between the users
> at each end of a mail connection, and their mail admins.

Have you ever tried to get an administrator -- even at a university you 
work for or with which you are working on a project -- to whitelist an IP 
or hostname?  They flatly won't do it, in my experience.

It's very easy to slap more blacklists on your mail configuration and get 
good results -- this is why it's done and I understand that.  But it's 
also very easy to be lazy and say "We are not going to lift a finger to 
deal with anyone else's inconvenience."

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