>>>>> "Kjetil" == Kjetil Torgrim Homme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

 >>> It is a _NORMAL_ case for the HELO domain to be different to the domain
 
 >> "Not uncommon", yes,  Dunno if 'Normal' fits so well w/r MTA's.

 Kjetil> very few properly set up servers will have the domain name as
 Kjetil> their hostname.  can you imagine yahoo.com being an actual
 Kjetil> host handling e-mail?  that would have to be a serious piece
 Kjetil> of hardware :-)

Even if you match loosely on the domain, it's still more the exception
than the rule, just a simple grep of our mail logs turned up these
common scenarios:

 - ISPs using @example.com addresses but example.net for
   infrastructure naming, including the mail server HELOs (matching
   the DNS), and many variations on this theme

 - Domains hosted on large outsourcers: CP, Outblaze,
   Godaddy/Secureserver, Schlund/1&1, etc. (this accounts for many
   million domains in total)

 - entire ISPs outsourcing their mail

 - Mail sent from webmail sites using the user's ISP address as the
   envelope; and mail sent from ISPs using a webmail address as the
   envelope

 - Any sort of forwarding

 - User uses a personal domain but still sends outgoing mail from their
   ISP

And many cases which aren't obvious from the mail logs what the
precise reason is.

 Kjetil> we only advertise pipelining to hosts where HELO matches the
 Kjetil> reverse DNS:

Hmm, would it also not make sense to exclude generic names there?
That might be a bit complex to put in a single string expansion,
though.

 >> BTW - 'supernews.net' ?
 >> 
 >> Interesting concept, that of charging a subscription fee for
 >> usenet access.

 Kjetil> you should try setting up the infrastructure needed for a
 Kjetil> usenet server with access to alt.binaries.*, it's not trivial
 Kjetil> either network, disk, CPU or businesswise.  I'm not sure what
 Kjetil> the traffic levels are these days, it was 300 GB per day a
 Kjetil> couple of years ago.

It hit 2.50TB per day (real terabytes, not decimal ones) this past
weekend.

-- 
Andrew, Supernews
http://www.supernews.com


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