Andrew - Supernews wrote: >>>>>>"W" == W B Hacker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > W> Because, dear David, not ONE DAMN BIT of this whole smtp shebang > W> works if we DO NOT try to help each other within commonly agreed > W> channels! > > I assume you're addressing me, not David.
Correct! Padoname David! La culpa es mio! > > What is "commonly agreed" about sender-verification callout? The > opinion I see of it amongst professional mail server administrators is > largely (even overwhelmingly) negative, other than a relatively small > number of smaller sites who for the most part are not finding > themselves the targets of excessive verification attempts, and > therefore don't realize the consequences of their behaviour (or don't > care). > > I also don't see any justification for it in the RFCs; the command to > verify addresses is "VRFY", not "RCPT TO". Why do you think people > disable VRFY? Whole 'nuther issue... > > W> Handling a few liteweight verifications for others is the quid pro > W> quo for their also helping *you* by trying to reduce abuse > W> *overall*. > > Too many assumptions in this sentence. (1) verification is not > "lightweight". It is for-sure 'lighter' for the 'aggregate of the 'good guys' involved than handling the spam. > (2) verification does not reduce abuse. In fact, it does. The argument is only over 'is it by enough to matter?' and 'is it at a reasonable cost to the community?' and 'does is place unreasonable load on a legitimate member?'. > (3) verification does not help me. If you measure very narrowly, perhaps not. Neither do many of the things involved in the 'net. But having implemented a 60+ country X.400 network, 100% of it on *private leased circuits*, you might give some thought to what the cost of the alternatives were/could still be for those who do not expect to help each other. smtp does not, in and of itself, present an invoice at month's end - but we should expect to spend time and money to keep a 'free' service as universally usable as practical. *snip* Bill -- ## List details at http://www.exim.org/mailman/listinfo/exim-users ## Exim details at http://www.exim.org/ ## Please use the Wiki with this list - http://www.exim.org/eximwiki/
