Thomas Hochstein wrote:
> Marc Perkel schrieb:
>
>   
>> One thing that spammers can't spoof is RDNS.
>>     
>
> That is plain wrong. Most probably don't control the rDNS entries for
> their IP space, but it is far from impossible.
>   
The can't do a fake rdns so that when you look up the name that the name 
resolves to their IP.

>   
>> So if the RNDS of an IP is 
>> xxx.xxx.amd.com then we know the email is ham.
>>     
>
> No. We do know that only if xxx.xxx.amd.com resolves to that IP, too.
> Anybody who has control over the rNDS entries for an IP can setup a
> PTR record of "xxx.xxx.amd.com" in the same way anybody who has
> control over the DNS entries for a domain can setup an A record
> pointing to any IP.
>   
But since they aren't amd.com they can't make xxx.xxx.amd.com resolve to 
their IP.

>   
>> Suppose that we start 
>> with a list of companies that we know that any email that comes from 
>> those hosts will always be ham 
>>     
>
> How can we know that? What infected hosts in their networks? What
> about employees ("road warriors") whose authentification data is
> stolen?
>   
If someone on the blessed list started sending spam then they would not 
be on the list anymore.

> Especially (larger) ISP will *always* send - at least small quantities
> - of spam due to infected dialup hosts and malicious customers. Much
> more interesting is how *large* that problem is and what they do to
> mitigate it (their AUP, the kind and speed of their reaction, do they
> identify their customers so that they can keep them from
> re-registering, etc.).
>
>   

ISPs would never be on this white list. Nor would yahoo, google, or 
hotmail. I have a different list for ISPs which is my yellow or mixed 
source list. It prevents those hosts from being either white listed or 
black listed.
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