On 2008-01-17 at 13:29 -0800, WJCarpenter wrote:
> >
> > Gmail supports smtps (SSL-on-connect) and submission (STARTTLS).
> >
> > http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=78799&topic=12814
> >   
> 
> It looks like they are willing to do both on the same port.  Has anyone 
> tried that to see if it's true?

It's not, you're reading too much into it.  It could do with being
reworded a little.

It says to turn on TLS/SSL because you need one or the other.

The two ports available are 465 and 587.  They have their "usual" email
meanings.

Hint:
$ openssl s_client -CApath /etc/ssl/certs -crlf \
    -connect smtp.gmail.com:587
CONNECTED(00000003)
28135:error:140770FC:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:unknown 
protocol:s23_clnt.c:583:

That's what you get when you try to speak SSL/TLS to a server which
isn't speaking it in its current state (ie, is waiting for STARTTLS).

-Phil

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