Hmmmm,  <addressing Al, Harald, et al>

Well, I think this list is primarily to help people solve problems using the 
distribution, not a forum for complaints.

But, even if you had been right about rpm 3.0.3, your ALL CAPS was a misplaced 
message.  Cassini is a beta release, and it is expected
that some things will be broken or will require DLing other things.  In other words, 
big hairy deal if it didn't.

The fact that the Mandrakesoft folks have been so open about bugs and fixes and have 
involved the customers in checking their stuff before
they release it seems to me to be "working on the right things".   That is, quality.

A LOT was broken by the release of the 2.2.x kernel, and we're still recovering from 
that, not just Mandrake, the whole linux community.
The progress was necessary but it carried a price.  For example, try loading a sound 
driver with Caldera 2.2.  Try PAYING for telephone
support to do it and see if you get a call back.  I paid, and I never got a call.

I also saw a message on this list or on newbie or both that suggested MandrakeSoft had 
pulled a "Mickeysoft" and released Helios (6.1).
The last time I looked at the mirrors list, I saw an announcement that it was not in 
fact released.

Well, I am not going to waste more bandwidth on this.  I will point out that if you 
expect bugs to be fixed, complete error reports are a
MINIMUM to send.  Better is to look around and venture a gues at analyzing what is 
happening, and better yet is to suggest a workaround if
you can.  It doesn't matter if your guess is incorrect, that's how we all learn.

And if you want others to listen to you about changing what you regard as questionable 
policy, then propose a better one and explain the
benefits.  Be as constructive as possible.  The purpose of feedback is to be helpful 
to yourself and others, and acting or speaking in a
manner that raises defenses defeats that purpose.

Have a nice day,

Civileme



Axalon Bloodstone wrote:

> [root@Homie RPMS]# rpm -q rpm
> rpm-3.0.3-31mdk
> [root@Homie RPMS]# ls -l ~ftp/pub/mirrors/cassini/i586/Mandrake/RPMS/rpm*
> -r--r--r--    1 505      505       1021025 Aug 24 10:21 
>/home/ftp/pub/mirrors/cassini/i586/Mandrake/RPMS/rpm-3.0.3-31mdk.i586.rpm
> -r--r--r--    1 505      505        221011 Aug 24 10:22 
>/home/ftp/pub/mirrors/cassini/i586/Mandrake/RPMS/rpm-devel-3.0.3-31mdk.i586.rpm
>
> I don't know where your looking at. But your grossly misinformed
>
> On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, Al Smith wrote:
>
> > This is another example. Cassini was released and it needed RPM 3.0.3 to
> > install it's apps. Guess what folks. IT DIDN"T COME WITH IT!!!!
> >
> > -Al
>     [ Part 2: "Included Message" ]
>
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [devel] RPM 3.0.3
>
> I have downloaded a number of the 6.1 RPMs. They appear to require RPM
> 3.0.3
> I cannot however find the source for RPM 3.0.3 anywhere, especially
> disturbing
> that the sources aren't on rpm.org.
>
> Any pointers as to where the source tar.gz is would be greatly
> appreciated.
>
> TIA
>
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