Ramon Gandia wrote:
>
> Ivan Trail wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 08 Mar 2000, you wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > And what is this long-running modem brand talk? May we please discuss
>Linux-related issues?
> > > Maybe people are uncomfortable to speak of what they really need for fear of
>being flamed as
> > > newbies, a practice of =assholes= who stink pretty bad after a while. (yeah,
>I said that)
> >
> > I agree. I was on the newbie list for about a month and got tired of having
> > 80-100 emails to sort through on the subject "installing linux". The list has
> > it's place, and was a great source of help but after I got it installed I
> > couldn't get a decent response on a tougher question. Here I have answered
> > most of my problems by reading what other people have asked.
> >
> > I am not trying to start another flame, but here is my suggestion to remedy
> > this problem:
> >
> > Impliment several, more specific, mailing lists. ie. one for installation
> > help, one for driver development, one for people who actually like too much
> > caffiene ;^) You get the point. I used to ber on atleast four different
> > mailing lists from Red Hat at any one time. the redhat place has probably
> > fifteen to twenty different lists to choose from. So maybe some of you experts
> > in a specific area of linux could volunteer to host a mailing list. I would do
> > so but I can't even find actors to help with the scripting language thing, thus
> > I am far from an expert.
> >
> > just my two cents worth, with NO REFUNDS!
>
> And my 3 cents will make it a Nickel:
>
> These mailing lists have two sorts of people on it. Group 1
> are the newcomers that have legitimate questions to ask. Not
> exacty Newbies, but 'newcomer.' Group 2 are the rest of the
> grouchos that answer them or seek the Truth.
>
> You, sir, probably belong to neither group. You are looking at
> a social place, and want to see ever expanding level of expertise
> on this list. This is not the intent. The mailing lists have
> a place, and it is to help the Mandrake user. By their very
> nature, the people asking are those that do not know the
> answers.
>
> There is an influx of new people all the time. It is wrong to
> get angry or be dissapointed just because a Newcomer is having
> problem with Modems, his WinModem don't work, or his PPP link
> won't come up. We see these questions asked ALL THE TIME, and
> they are going to be asked all the time each and every week
> from now until Hell Freezes Over. That is the way it is.
> Once the newcomer gets his questions answered, he will move
> on or become one of the grouchos answering questions.
>
> To make it plain, I have received VERY LITTLE help from this
> list, although I do get a surprise once in a while. I am
> here to answer some questions. I am an ISP, and what I know
> is often of help to some newcomers. Others on this list
> know Perl, or PHP, or Sendmail, or....etc. That is what is
> all about.
>
> If you get tired of the Questions and their answers; if the
> list is repetitive to you, or sounds trivial, then I would
> say that you have outgrown it. Nothing to get angry about.
> Hang around if you want, or move on. Maybe to return later.
>
> Linux is a long, tall ladder. We all climb this ladder of
> learning. As we slowly climb, we see those above and ask for
> help, and at the same time we reach down and help pull up
> those below us. While we move up this ladder, we have to
> recognize that new people are getting on the lower rungs all
> the time.
>
> I, and a few others that pitched in, answered and discussed
> some questions regarding Modems....and Supermount. Frankly,
> I had posted about this four or five times already. And
> it will happen again because next week, sure as all get out,
> some newcomer will want to know how come his "SupraExpress
> 56i PCI Modem will not be recognized or work with Linux".
> So, it starts over. Thats the way it was, is, and will be.
>
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