I have asked this question several times before under different subjects, but still no answer and I still haven't found a solution myself yet. My problem is that NOT ANY of the window managers or desktops will start correctly from a cold boot, but require a reset. When I turn on my computer for the first time, it goes thru the bootup process without any errors, but when starting into X, there is a slight pause of 4 or 5 seconds then the background screen appears, after a bit you see the X pointer then the watch(which face changes from white to transparent several times) then the KDE splash screen starts to slowly draw. At this point, I can sometimes do a ctl-alt F1 and get to console mode and do a shutdown restart from there, but sometimes not. If I wait till the icons start to appear, the system is locked up and I have to do a reset. After a reset, the system goes thru the bootup process again, doinf a fsck because the system was shut down improperly the comes up normally, Music and all. The same thing happens with Gnome. I have tried with and without autologin, and with and without Aurora... no change. Starting in run level 3 and doing startx, I get the same thing. My system is a AMD K6 2+ 450 with 64 mb ram. This is LM 7.2 I did not have this problem with a highly updated 7.1 I also have tried KDE2.0. 2.01 and 2.1.0 Any help on this would be highly appreciated. Jerry -- Gerald Williams Words Matter! Bangkok, Thailand