Yes, I know this list isn't the forum within which to debate this issue,
but there is a great danger in our midst, and I promise to be terse.

Marc, what you desire and suggest corresponds exactly with the mindset of
those powerful entities who want to establish ubiquitous e-commerce on
*our* internet: they want to own and control the internet. They represent
*big* money and influence *big* government. The collection of "evil"
crackers, script kiddies, and spammers is *nothing* compared to the
entities that are lobying to rule *our* internet. Those large
commercial entities will invoke the "evil" of the crackers and spammers
for their purposes only, and you can bet that their proclamations will be
cleverly veiled in rhetoric about "maintaining the purity of the
Internet". I think we should focus on security. Internet-wide systems and
controls designed to hinder crackers are just what big business wants. I
think we will be seriousy fucked if big business manages to implement
such systems and controls. And if this Armageddon comes to be, I'll be
pointing the finger at the multitude of Linux distros that even allowed 
insecure setups, and at the moment, that's just about all Linux distros.

b5dave

On 18-Jan-2001 Mark Weaver wrote
[snip]
> Seriously though...it's about darn time that something SERIOUS be done
> about and WITH these people that are a great big pain in the arse to the
> rest of the world that HAVE a real life and a descent direction for that
> life.
[snip]



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