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From: Tom Walsh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [expert] "EBDA too big"
To: civileme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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civileme wrote:
>
> On Sunday 12 August 2001 05:04, Tom Walsh wrote:
> > Okay, I admit it: I am totally pissed that Mandrake would release such
> > F@%$!@%$ A%(^*&&* garbage as Mandrake 8.0 to the general public without
> > *HEAVY* warnings that this is *not a production release*!!!
> >
> > I can deal with the editing of the Makefile to set the CC to kgcc, then
>
> why?
Because this RedHat distro has become infamous, there was enough talk on
the mailing lists / talkbacks that "clued" me into this bit of trivia.
After all, I have had the distro here on CD for about 3 months, been
playing with the darned thing and it was not a 'production release'
AFAIWK. If you cannot compile the kernel 'out of the box', then it is a
BETA.
>
> > have to search the mailing list to find out that this release is so
> > broken that it needs an mrproper to compile modules properly...
>
> Because there are some deps already defined.... This is not unusual.
>
Oh, and name another distro that has been release in the past five years
that the generic install required a 'make mrproper' before the kernel
could be successfully compiled. Come on, I dare you.
> >
> > After slogging my way through all this, I finally have something that
> > compiles and installs, then fails to boot with some mysterious message
> > of: "EDBA too big". Okay, I'm game what the F#@$ is an EDBA???!!!
> >
>
> endbase address
>
> Your kernel is too large.
OK, I will accept that a 980K kernel may have been too large...
>
> http://genericbooks.com/Literature/Documents/pdf/Books/lilo_user.pdf
>
> Look at the above link.
More 'Trivial pursuit', so what is wrong with a
/usr/src/linux/README.Mandrake to spell out this wonderous knowledge?
Are you afraid that Linus is going to have a fit, or something?
>
> > This krap is going too far. I develop under uClinux with the 2.4.6
> > kernel and we don't encounter this ineptitude when it comes to releasing
> > a version!!! What is this: "let's play Trivial Pursuit" or some such
> > childish game?
> >
>
> Very unfair comparison. We have at least an order of magnitude more to do with the
>kernel
> to make sure it works wih Reiser and other things, like USB and lm_sensors and such,
>and
> uClinux isn't even real linux--just an abbreviated copy--no virtual memory construct
>available at
> all. It runs only on DragonballEZs and ARMs without a lot of the peripherals we
>have to accommodate.
> And they most likely have more kernel hackers than we do, cause that is about all
>they do.
That is a poor reply to the question. You are not answering it, you are
throwing up a smoke screen. The lack of an MMU / DMA is irrespective of
the question of the quality of the work that you produce. Your stuff
does not work without significant 'special knowledge', you blew it, you
just won't admit it. You feel that just because RedHat does it this way
that it makes it acceptable for You to shrug your shoulders and point to
the "other guy". This is not why I switched to Mandrake, You made a
decent system, You messed up, now admit it.
>
> > ARRRGGHHH!
> >
> > TomW
>
> For your info, this is not the flame mandrake list.
>
No? Then please give me the URL. I would like to let the packagers know
just what the end-user thinks of your latest mistake! Just because
Linus releases a version of the linux kernel and 'You follow the leader'
(RedHat), this does not make it right. The GPL *allows* You the right
to make changes to the code source, as long as it is distro'ed. What is
the problem, You cannot do some of the simple work needed to make the
installation of the system + compile of the kernel an easy experience?
I have more to do with my time than to spend it slogging my way through
mailing lists, and arcane knowledge-bases, to find out that the
packagers messed up and are willing to place the onus on us, the
end-user.
At least with uClinux, we test our stuff to make sure it works "out of
the box" before we release it! Your solution is vastly inferior, You
rely upon making huge amounts of modules available in the hopes that
no-one will have to ever compile the kernel.
I needed to make changes to some of the 2.4.x IRDA drivers so I can
interface to embedded systems, the changes are to add my own debugging
info, so I chose my most reliable distro: Mandrake. Big mistake.. Let
me ask you this: how many man-hours would it take to edit
/usr/src/linux/Makefile to set CC=kgcc, then do a 'make mrproper' on the
kernel before you distro it? :-P You messed up...
Regards,
TomW
