On Wednesday 15 August 2001 12:02, Praedor Tempus wrote: > First, I am reporting exactly what happens regardless of logging out and > back in, so don't get all worked up or snappish. I am reporting an > objective fact, not an opinion - while asking why have the redundant > functions. I do not read every message in the list, there are too many and > most do not in any way apply to anything I need to deal with. I don't use > and have not installed Gnome so I don't know about cross-functionality. > There is KDE and blackbox on my system. Period. > > I have ended up using kmenuedit because the menudrake menu editor hasn't > worked. > > Again, using lyx as an example. I have lyx installed. If I open up the > menu editor (menudrake) it appears there in the office submenu. That's > nice except it does not appear in any user's (nor root's) office menu. > > I tried deleting the entry and re-entering it from scratch. It seems to go > well, accepting my inputs without complaint (as user or root). I do the > update and viola...it doesn't show up in the kmenu office submenu inspite > of being there in menudrake's depiction. > > I try logging out of kde and logging back in. Same thing. I try > rebooting, same thing. The ONLY way I finally got a lyx icon to actually > appear (and work) in the kmenu was to use kmenuedit. It worked > immediately. > > This, to me, would appear to indicate a problem. This occured in several > situations: after upgrading from one stable release to the next of > Mandrake, after complete reinstall from scratch of Mandrake 8.0. After > upgrade to (essentially) Cooker. In no case has the menudrake app worked > properly for me. > > On Thursday 16 August 2001 03:48 pm, you wrote: > > On Wednesday 15 August 2001 10:55, Praedor Tempus wrote: > > > I am running KDE 2.2 on my Mandrake 8.0/Cooker system. I find that I > > > cannot use the default menu editor to do anything useful with my menus > > > if I get to it via the panel by either right-clicking the panel and > > > selecting the panel menu -> menu editor or if I do it via the kmenu > > > button. I get the menudrake app that doesn't do anything useful. By > > [...] > > > > Any ideas? Why would the default KDE menu editor be a > > > broken/nonfunctioning app instead of the VERY nice and working > > > kmenuedit? The name "menudrake" indicates that it is something specific > > > to mandrake rather than something that KDE wants. Perhaps menudrake > > > works in Gnome or some other environment but I have not found it to > > > work for quite a while, for several iterations of KDE, within the KDE > > > environment. > > > > > > No error messages ever. It just does't do anything useful, apparently. > > > > > > praedor > > > > You have been on the expert list for a while and somehow you missed that > > we have integrated menus and that Kmenuedit doesn't work? > > > > Use menudrake and only menudrake. Use it from the mandrake control > > center. Do yourself a favor and use menudrake to take KMenuedit OFF your > > menu. Debian, Connective and We all use this integrated menu system so BB > > users can run GNOME and KDE apps and can switch to E and see the SAME > > menu,and get it again in Windowmaker. > > > > Now as far as menudrake doing nothing useful--the one off the menu edits > > for your user ONLY, while the one on control center can do that or can do > > system-wide or for a specific windowmanager (some things run only in KDE, > > for example) or edit root's menu as well. Once you have edited the menu, > > it does not appear in the menu box until you do what you have to do for a > > StarOffice installation: that is, restart the windowmanager by logging > > out and back in. > > > > menudrake is quite useful, and I am sorry to report that your complaint > > was poorly researched. > > > > Civileme If you used Kmenuedit, mandrake_everytime and update-menus would take it out on the very next reboot or login. It would not be possible to keep a menu entry viable. Period. Now if you sued both the KMenuedit entry would show up right away and be destroyed by the logout/login cycle while the menudrake entry would not show up but would be present after the logout login cycle, which could lead you to some amazing conclusions. I suggest you re-check your facts. Software tends to behave the same on all installed systems when it is software of this nature. Again, KMenuedit will work to put things on the menu only til the next logout/login. Try it standalone to put something like Eterm on the menu, and you will see. Civileme ---------------------------------------- Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; name="message.footer" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Description: ----------------------------------------
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