At 01:52 PM 1/9/2002 +0000, M1k3 wrote:
>As a seasoned Unix sysadmin (12+ years) I can't say this 
>enough:  CLI-phobic users are the
>sole reason for a system administrator's existence.  Period.

You can't possibly really believe this statement, can you? It is such a 
gross oversimplification that is does not deserve a response. I find myself 
incredulous about your statement asserting your "12+ years" of UNIX SA.

>The unrestrained snobbish rudeness of a couple of the people who have been
>commenting on this thread is misguided.

Not one of the responses rendered, mine included, could be characterized by 
such exaggerated terminology. Some suggestions were made about some 
alternative methods for doing things. Post the "rudeness" you found, and I 
will be the first to acknowledge it.


>It's a valid premise, and is not something to be brushed aside with the
>rampant conceited elitism of the afore mentioned posters.  It belongs on
>*all* the lists, and the "experts" would do well to heed it.

This, again, is your opinion, and you have a right to post it here, as do 
the posters who responded with there suggestions. As long as civility is 
practiced, where is the harm? Again, your hyperbole does not impart 
persuasion for your argument.


>Those posters too wrapped up in their own "expertise" to contribute something
>useful to the thread should either check their egos at the door and start
>over or disengage.  I would also recommend that they take the time to study
>the System Administrator's Guild Code of Ethics, particularly Canon 3.

After my years in UNIX (no, I do not need to qualify this with a reference 
to years in the profession), and my, more importantly, 2+ years on this 
list, I have seen a lot more tolerance here than say some other lists, 
especially for UNIX lists purported to be for experts. You are obviously a 
new comer here, and before you feel the need to share your presumptuous 
opinions, may I respectfully suggest that, instead of lurking, you do some 
helping. We have!

Respectfully,

J. Craig Woods
UNIX/NT SA
-Art is the illusion of spontaneity-


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