Hello! I'll answer all my mails in one...
On Tue, 2002-05-28 at 03:02, Lyvim Xaphir wrote:
> I couldn't agree with you more about Nautilus. I've got a solution, but
> it probably won't be what you want to hear.
;-) Well... some support can't do any harm. ;-)
> The way I trim the system down during install is to deselect all group
> packages except for KDE Workstation. Then I go to the individual
> package list and go thru the entire package listing, picking out what
> I'd like to have. If any package that I'm considering installing turns
> out to require gnome-core, I immediately decide that I don't want it.
Sadly, I dislike KDE. :( well... it's a matter or taste. I like XFce
actually for a desktop. But it is pretty spartanic. So my choice is
Gnome (I use two small pannels because I like how they can hide thus
they don't waste my desktop and because I like the functionality of the
"drawers") plus WindowMaker.
> Most importantly I select Enlightenment window manager and get esound
> support installed for all multimedia packages (xmms for an example).
> Later, when Enlightenment is brought up I enable kde support for E and
> volia! I instantly have access to all kde apps; including konqueror,
> which also functions as a file manager. If you do it that way, none of
> the gnome bloat will get into your system.
Hmm... can't comment about Enlightenment. I only tried it once and I
got lost - didn't know really what to do. I saw those menus, but I got
lost with the actual functionality. I left it for later. And finally I
removed it when I heard that it is really consuming - and my computer
isn't that fast/new.
> If konqueror isn't your speed, you can always pick another file manager
> from some others listed in the email archives. I believe Femme was
> looking for an alternative some time back, she may have settled on a
> solution.
Oh! But the best FM around is XFtree that comes with XFce (you won't
find it in a sepparate pack but it worths the effort). Than, there is
ROX filer for those who want a more "explorer" like approach. It is
also fast and quite good. And it is catching up real fast. It also can
replace with honor both gmc and nautilus for those of you who want to
have "desktop shortcuts". I don't, so I don't need gmc or nautlius at
all.
> As for breaking stuff...if your dependencies to gnome-core are involving
> some important apps that you use everyday, you are looking at trouble.
> If it was me, I'd back up my data to CDRW and reinstall with the above
> procedure; and sidestep any future apps that required gnome-core.
Finally, without removing Nautilus, I solved my original problem -
Mozilla was broken and Galeon was unable to show the pages - it loaded
everything, but it didn't show a thing. Updating Mozilla meant breaking
compatibility with nautilus-mozila which asked for that particular
mozilla version... and nautilus-mozilla wanted nautilus. That made me
remember my old grudge - how to remove for good Nautilus?
> Sorry my response was not more helpful.
No. You answer was okay.
On Tue, 2002-05-28 at 04:45, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote:
> Nautilus was developed by Eazel as a method of delivering Eazel
Services. With
> the dot com bust, Eazel had trouble finding investors, and they were
forced to
> release it early in the hopes of getting revenue from services.
Nautilus for
> GNOME 1.4 is far from optimised, and so is quite slow and bloated.
Nautilus for
> GNOME 2 is much leaner and faster then its predecessor.
Didn't know any of this. Still I won't try it again even if I upgrade
my computer. This is because I hate that windowish spirit that means
the very core of Nautilus. That is nice for some guy who has the latest
comp to waste its resources and wants almost zero functionality and lots
of bells and wistles. If I want to listen mp mp3s - I start XMMS and
make a playlist. I want to check my picture collection - gqview (both
file browser and picture viewer). I want anything else - I have a tool
for that. I want/need that vfs browsing as I like to check my archives
the same way I check a directory. But that functionality should be in
any FM.
> GNOME 1.4 should work fine without Nautilus. Use the --nodeps modifier
when
> using rpm to uninstall it.
At least in theory it doesn't need Nautilus. I see gmc manages my
"desktop". But I don't want to mess with the whole system.
> If you're a GNOME user, and you're simply frustrated that GNOME
automatically
> starts Nautilus, you should know that you can disable it without
uninstalling it
> (Nautilus can be useful at times). Simply go to the Nautilus
Preferences menu
> and tell it not to manage your desktop. If you want to upgrade Mozilla
or
> Galeon, use the --nodeps option when installing them via rpm. Note
that if you
> upgrade Mozilla you will likely break Mozilla web browsing support in
Nautilus
> (file management and GTKHTML browsing will still work, though).
No frustration here. Nautilus doesn't start at all. I just want that
space free from an app that I dislike. And this is one of the apps that
refuses to get out. I "cleaned" my system with care, and besides
nautilus related packs - everything that was useless was uninstalled. I
don't care for breaking nautilus as I will never use it (at least not in
the near future as I see that are enough good FMs to replace gmc, even
better than gmc).. I want nautilus out (call it a political decision)
and I still use gnome. I don't want to break anything with gnome,
anything that might affect its functionality.
> What's this script doing? unzip ; touch ; finger ; mount ; gasp ; yes
; umount ;
> sleep. Hint: not everything is computer-oriented. Sometimes you're in
a sleeping
> bag, camping out with your girlfriend.
Hahahaha, this is very funny. Can I quote it?
On Tue, 2002-05-28 at 15:12, Alan Wilter Sousa da Silva wrote:
> I love Mozilla but I hate Nautilus. I love Gnome but I hate
Nautilus. So
> during MDK installation I simply did not select Galeon/Nautilus but
select
> Mozilla and Gnome Midnight Commander, a efficient file manager.
> Moreover, I also use KDE. No problems at all.
I wend for that too when I installed MDK81. Upgrading to MDK82 made me
change my mind, but I really don't recall what made me chose it. I
know, at least for now, MDK gives you a choce between nautilus and gmc.
As gmc, that choice is over i think :( Anyway, this piece of windowish
app really (like a real windowish app) refuses to get out clean. I can
even delete the darn thing by hand, but I want a cleaner way of doing
things.
As for KDE... no, that won't get into my system.
On Tue, 2002-05-28 at 15:16, Charles A Edwards wrote:
> On Tue, 28 May 2002 09:12:19 -0300 (BRT)
> Alan Wilter Sousa da Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I love Mozilla but I hate Nautilus. I love Gnome but I hate
Nautilus.
> > So
> > during MDK installation I simply did not select Galeon/Nautilus but
> > select Mozilla and Gnome Midnight Commander, a efficient file
> > manager. Moreover, I also use KDE. No problems at all.
> You will not like Gnome2 when it comes out.
> GMC will no longer exist and only nautilus will be available to draw
the
> gnome desktop.
I knew gmc was dead - idiotic choice made by some weird (weird with the
bad meaning) programmers who try with every line of their code to mimic
windoze... IMHO those guys should give their time to make a better
(usable) Wine.
But I didn't know things were like that. That is very bad :( as Gnome
is begining to look more and more like it is build up as Linux's
windoze. These days I wanted to update my MDK gnome with the main packs
from Ximian. I found out that one of the main packs asks for
"gnome-wallpapers". What? Even windoze lets me unckeck screensavers
and wallpapers/themes.
Bottom line, I do hope that Nautilus won't become part of Gnome the
same way IE became part of windoze. That would make Gnome a pathetic
copy of windoze. Anyway, hoping that Nautlius would be optional - for
those of you who need that functionality offered by nautlius or gmc you
should check ROX filer. For those of you who need a real file manager
but without all those bells and wistles - go for XFtree.
On Tue, 2002-05-28 at 17:47, Jeferson Lopes Zacco wrote:
> As a note, there is no problem at all in running Gnome/KDE apps under
> other GUIs/WMs. E.g., I use WindowMaker (sorry all Fluxbox lovers out
> there, I like icons!) with Galeon and Konqueror (while Nautilus is
> outright beautiful, it lacks many features to be really useful). Well
> you have to have some memory available to load both QT and GTK+ libs
of
> course. But I have no problems with slow or unresponsive GUIs.
You should try to make an effort and stick with only one side - either
GTK+ or QT. After all those apps are quite redundant.
> --
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