James wrote: > On Thu, 30 May 2002 19:42:11 -0400 > et <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>On Thursday 30 May 2002 06:42 pm, you wrote: >> >>>On Thursday 30 May 2002 06:26 pm, Jeferson Lopes Zacco wrote: >>> >>>>Both in a corporative sense, in how it will/could affect other >>>>linux distributions, and technically if it will be of any benefit >>>>to Linux codebase as a whole... >>>> >>>>Wooky >>>> >>>My opinion of United Linux. >>> >>>Four sick dogs don't make one well dog. >>> >>well said... >> >>just a nother group to speak out about their personal ideas of what >>should be a standard. >> > > Uuuuu on this one I don't agree. The standard they are striving for is > the LSB .... this is a standard that even Mandrake has been behind. > (From the conversation I had with someone from Mandrake at Linux World > They see it as very beneficial to all.) I tend towards agreement with > this standard. It pulls together the FHS POSIX and a slew of other > standards in Unix. Then adds to it the needs specific to Linux. As for > 4 sick dogs. Connectiva is not sick. They are after all the number 1 > selling distro in Spanish and Brazilian Portuguese.(ie south of the > US/Mexican border) SuSe for all of their problems in the US, are strong > with IBM and big Iron and Making inroads with Large German Concerns. > Turbo lost out in the US but still remains on of the best CJVK distro's > in Asia. Caldera.... well they are burdened with Ransom Love (*cheesy > grin*) Seriously though Caldera has SCO Unix and although it lost out to > Sun there is a large and very useful code base there. > > Winners IBM HP/Compaq and the Linux community. (distro's included) > > Losers M$ and to a lesser degree Sun. M$ loses big time because it gives > Intel and the other chip makers more reason to look at Linux compliance. > (IBM carries big weight) IBM compatible could become a buzz word for > software like it was in the 80's for PC's. (It will be nice to hear > people stop saying PC when they mean a cheap box running windwoze.) > > Big Winners .... You and I. Linux goes mainstream. Hardware starts > paying attention to both Linux and standards.(Sorry Western Digital) All > around we win. Is RedHat worried.... why else would they suddenly start > filing patents. They are tired of being used as a jumping off point for > new distro's. > > James I agree with James, mostly. As of sickness, Conectiva is as sick as Mandrake financially speaking. As most IT companies it is having difficulties, as SuSe (don know about teh other two). But it didn't went public or made a CL "CLub" (note that I'm not saying Mandrake doing so means it is particularly sick). I also agree that more standartization, specially like LSF, is badly needed in the linux community. From a corporate standpoint it is much easier to provide software and hardware ( and to rely on these) when they are fully standard and certified. I agree that M$ will see UL as a big treat in the corporate market (they already perceive Linux as such). I don't see so much trouble for Sun, in fact I wouldn't be surprised if they actually joined the train, considering their latest moves towars Linux. An Open-Office (or Star-Office) ready UnitedLinux distro might be M$ worst nightmare... I expect to see some companies shipping PCs with UL+Open_Office pre-installed soon. On the other hand, I'm not that sure it will be a good thing for medium sized distros like Mandrake ( in spite of Mandrake being aimed more at the desktop). It is a hard enough time for IT companies, and having a super-giant distro backed up by big hardware cias won't help the smaller ones. Mandrake will have to make an effort to catch up, and adhere to the standard... and *that* might be a dangerous thing, UL might actually become strong enough so that it can *impose* some standards, M$ (or IBM) way. And I would not be quite found of that, I prize my freedom of choice. I see no big deal for Debian and Slackware, their user-base is so fanatic they're are unlikely to change. :^) As a note, in Conectiva white-paper about UL, they said they were opened to *any other Linux team* which would like to join the association. *If* (and it a big "if") this thing works , I see not only other distros joining it but perhaps other Linux solution-providers (think Ximian, MySQL AB...) as well. Wooky -- -- shinjiteiru shinjirareru, korekara aruku kono michi wo! kimi ga iru yo, boku ga iru yo sore ijou nani mo iranai. umareta imi ,sagasu yori mo ima ikiteru koto kanjite, kotae yori mo, daiji na mono hitotsu hitotsu mitsuketeiku...
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