yey!
took your advice, looked at man pam_console, i edited 
/etc/security/console.perms to comment out the line for the sound 
permissions:
#<console>  0600 <sound>      0600 root.audio
and made my users part of the audio group, chmod 660 /etc/sound/*
and arts works in both kde sessions, fingers crossed my alterations stay 
altered upon reboot :-)

bascule

On Thursday 24 Oct 2002 7:20 am, Martin Fahrendorf wrote:
> Am Donnerstag, 24. Oktober 2002 03:09 schrieb bascule:
> > this devfs thing is really starting to hack me off, i see no reason why
> > the 'first' user to log on locally gets to be 'king of audio'.
> > if i try to avoid using devfs will this behaviour change?
>
> Hi,
>
> this is not a feature of devfs but of a little pam-module called
> pam_console (see man pam_console).
>

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