On Fri, 2002-10-25 at 09:00, Oliver Thieke wrote:
> Hi List, hi Steve B. ;-) !
>
> > "Linux is very, very, very expensive for customers to take care of,"
>
> Talking about a home environ he might be right. But in a corporate
> environ ? win2k and XP-Pro are there as complicated and difficult to
> administrate as LX/UX... The decisive difference is not the
> cost/complexity of administration but the number of applications
> (still, unfortunately).
>
> > "Linux is a cloned operating system - it cloned Unix and now
> > it wants to clone Windows. "
>
> So what ? To clone a proven, well-designed system for cheap hardware
> is maybe a good idea, hmmm. M$ is still in the process of cloning...
> And Mac OS-X is a clone (or fusion of UX, Obj-C-Lib's and MAC-GUI) too...
>
> > "It would be nice to get some innovation."
>
> And what about M$ ? Which innovations do they provide ? Declaring
> the web browser as a vital OS' component ? They just get it half-way
> right on the third attempt... And what about their innovations ?
>
> + C#: heavily influenced by SUN's Java
> + GUI: invented by PARC Xerox & spread by Apple Mac
> + Win NT: based on co-development with IBM (OS/2)
> + Office Apps: invented by VisiCalc
> + TCP/IP: invented by DARPA & spread by UX
> + Web: invented at CERN and NCSA (UIUC),
> first denied an neglected by M$...
> + User Admin (ADS): clone of Novell's NDS and LDAP
> + Authetification: based on Kerberos (ADS)
> + SMB/CIFS: original SMB protocol introduced by IBM
> + MS SQL: Sybase clone
To add a few more.
+ TCP/IP Stack Purchased from i386BSD (the original BSD )
+ Mouse Xerox invention
+ PowerPoint Harvard Graphics
+ Excell VisiCalc
+ Word MicroStar WordPerfect etc etc
+ BSOD Amiga Guru Meditation
+ MS Help Man Pages
+ .NET XML XHTML XUL
+ IE Mosaic
+ Basic Taken from a language in use world wide to teach
programing.
+ Palladium Taken from a number of published research papers,
from educational institutions. (I believe this is the right URL)
http://archive.salon.com/tech/fsp/2000/05/16/chapter_2_part_one/index2.html
There's nothing wrong with copying a good idea, But there is a lot wrong
with claiming that the other guy isn't innovative.
James
Not to mention the fact that BSD has been historically the number one
supplier of tools and software innovation for
>
> And their own "innovations" - WINS and NT domain. Gone...
>
> And security ? One of my favorite quotes:
>
> "Honestly, security experts don't pick on Microsoft because we have some
> fundamental dislike for the company. Indeed, Microsoft's poor products
> are one of the reasons we're in business. We pick on them because they've
> done more to harm Internet security than anyone else, because they
> repeatedly lie to the public about their products' security, and because
> they do everything they can to convince people that the problems lie
> anywhere but inside Microsoft.
> Microsoft treats security vulnerabilities as public relations problems.
> Until that changes, expect more of this kind of nonsense from Microsoft
> and its products."
> Bruce Schneier, cryptogram Jan, 2002
>
> To broaden the discussion: the only thing I fear for the future and
> from M$ is the whole subject of TCPA, DRM and "Palladium"...
> It will be based on Hardware, will give M$ a deeper control of
> the PC and the software installed on it and might be a serious
> threat for the OpenSource Software and movement...
>
> Cheers from the city without the wall ;-).
>
> Oliver
>
>
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