OK I guess this clears some of the confusion... Still wonder why MDK left it so vague though. And you know the funny thing? Click on the "register your firewall" when you first enter the MNF box and you're directed to
"The page /products/mnf/register you are looking for is missing" Then again, they are having a few internal problems. And while we're on the topic, does Chapter 11 affect updates from mdk at all? Or is it nearly entirely based upon the open source community? Now that I know that free updates are possible from a license stand point, I'd hate to find out they aren't feasible with the "new" company model... Thanks for the replies guys... --- JP <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Vincent Danen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> deeg zun bes > op schoal um hej te > kinne schrieve: > > > On Wed Jan 15, 2003 at 10:32:39AM +0100, JP wrote: > > > > [...] > > > it seems as if they try to get people to pay for > the mnf updates, > > > however, I dont think you will have to do so in > order to get the > > > updates. > > > > I can't speak officially on this as I'm not > directly involved with MNF, > > but after playing with it yesterday I do have some > observations. > > > > In order to use the web interface for updates, you > will need to pay. I > > have no idea what the pricetag is. I, as of yet, > have no idea how well > > the web interface works (I've been playing with > MNF for less than 24hrs > > now). > > > > > first of all, i just checked a mandrake updates > mirror and there is a > > > seperate directory for mnf, that one could > simply use (add to urpmi > > > etc.) without mandrake even knowing it. > > > > Yup. You can use urpmi and use whatever mirror > you like to get > > updates. This should be just as secure as the > "for pay" mirror... ie. > > md5sums are available and the file is GPG > clearsigned. RPM packages > > can be validated via md5 and gpg sigs. > > thank god, no micro$$$oft practices. > > > The primary advantage to the for pay updates is > you will have access to > > them instantly. I don't know what the > infrastructure for the updates > > is, but I imagine there will be next to no delay > for updates... you > > would get them almost immediately. Relying on > third-party mirrors > > means a little bit of a delay, so it depends on > how quickly you want > > your firewall patched up (if speed is important to > you, getting > > "priority" updates may well be what you > need/want). You also wouldn't > > have to worry about free mirrors being clogged > when new distribs are > > released... anyone try to update software the day > of a new Mdk or RH > > release? Have fun getting into most public > mirrors that week. > > no problem for me :-) > I must admit though that this may indeed be a > serious problem to many > people, certainly if it is about some critical > security update. > > > Anyways, you do not *need* to pay to have a fully > functioning firewall > > and the ability to do updates. You will have to > be familiar with urpmi > > (or learn it) and log in remotely in order to do > the updates, but once > > you add whatever mirror you want to use, a simple > "urpmi.update -a; > > urpmi --auto-select" is enough to keep you up to > date. > > > > And no, there will be no "MNF updates go to public > mirrors 24hrs after > > they go to the for-pay mirror" stuff, so anyone > worried about a delay > > for non-paying people should not worry. You just > have to deal with the > > mirroring schedules of the third-party mirrors. > > > > If anyone ever wants to see how well mirrors keep > up to date, there is > > a fairly approximate listing on > > http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/ftp.php that will > show you when the > > last update was done. > > > > > second, this mnf is basically a (heavily > modified and stripped down) > > > version of mandrake 8.2. for which updates are > freely available. see > > > also snf, which has a similar relationship to > 7.2, with many packages > > > in the snf update directory being a simlink to > the 7.2 updates. > > > > Yup, exactly. > > > > > all in all a rather unclear situation, as by > reading the mandrake > > > website one would think you have to pay for > security updates. > > > > Nope, not at all. You're paying for access to a > private FTP site. The > > updates themself are "free"; meaning publically > available to anyone who > > wants them. Access to the private FTP site is the > real issue here. > > > > I agree that it wasn't clearly worded, so I hope > this provides a little > > less confusion for those who would like to use MNF > but have some > > reservations thinking you might be charged for > security updates. > > it does clarify alot indeed. > > as for the 'delay' one experiences when using mirror > sites, I guess it > basically comes down to what one uses the box for. > > a home user will generally care less about such > things, and also have a > smaller budget than say a corporate it department > guy. apart from that, > mnf like snf is to be used as a firewall/nat router. > once properly setup, > such a machine should not be running any services > except a (local lan > only) sshd, leaving virtually no possiblities for > intrusion but the ssh > packages (or a highly unlikely kernel networking > related bug). > > in the end, it's all about priorities ;-) > > > JP > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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