You haven't even looked on the KDE download page then? Debian have 3.1 alright. Where's Mandrake on that page?-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1
On Wednesday 26 February 2003 04:10 pm, Guy Zelck wrote:
Tibbetts, Ric wrote:Sounds to me like you are a candidate for Debian stable, slow and steady, no real upgrades for years. Of course they are on KDE 2.2.2 still, so that won't do.
If you want the newest software, run the new versions,
And change every 6 months, no thanks! Now that we finally got all our 3rd party s.w. working like vpn clients (cicso, freeswan), vmware workstations, banking software, NVIDIA drivers, sound drivers... to name but a few. Do you think those suppliers are happy with having to support 50 versions of their product on their website for Liniux? And what about those new users, how do you expect them to cope with ever changing versions and get orientated? It's hard enough for them to get on board in the 1st place. When the poor guys ask for help it's o so easy to tell them 'upgrade'. There are also a lot of people who want to put their system to good use once it's up and has most of what they need working and not having to think about doing it all over again in 6 mths.
Why just for club members? That's another development and attitude I don't like. I couldn't care less about a VIP membership. Stuff that!
OR: Go get KDE x.xx and install it yourself!Yes, lets to the same work a thousand times over! In stead of Mandrake
doing it just once and sharing it with their community. Very smart...
Or you do it and share it with the community so that they do not have to do it a thousand times over. Become a Club volunteer and package KDE3.1 for club members, I bet you would get a VIP membership out of it.
If I'll do it it will be for all. If I support Mandrake I do it out of gratitude, not because I want to be better treated than someone who doesn't. That's so against the free and open spirit of the open source community that made Linux possible in the 1st place.
They do that, which is good.
How can you people continue to push Mandrake to release the newest
software for old releases, AND expect them to put out new releases?!?!
How are we pushing when we are holding on to our "older" (I hate to use that word) releases? What is harder, compiling a few major apps or a whole release?
Yes, I agree (in part) that the release cycle is too fast. They have
developed the habit of moving on to the next version, before they get
the current one, up to date, and working (se my last post on this).
I believe they keep it working (security updates, major bugfixes),
but up to date may be another story.You can't expect them to keep everything up to date. I'm reasonable enough not to expect that. By learning the rpm package format there's already a lot that I've packaged. But major stuff like KDE that make your life on the desktop more enjoyable would be nice. Why were the kde3.1 release candidates available and not the final thing?
I would assume that they believe that is what the new distro is for. In essence saying, "if you want the new stuff run the new distro, and if you want new stuff for the old distro, join the Club, but if it is older than 12 months, we don't know what it is."Don't expect that a membership will offer you all.
Slow down is what they ought to do.
I'm not the only one who's thinking that. Don't get me wrong, I loved
Mandrake since 6.x . In stead of having a big following for one release
you end up with many small ones. Now there's even more divisions with
the non-club, standard, silver and golden categories. This is not good
for support. It's not good for Mandrake either having to adapt their
thinking or solutions to so many versions. It's making everybody's live
hard.
Which is exactly why they are going to support only two prior releases as per their new product life initiative.
Don't tell me.
There are strong arguments for lengthening the release cycle and providing more software updates between releases, but that is not what Mandrake is doing right now.
Subsequently, it is not us you have to convince, but MandrakeSoft.Well, join us.
Cheers, Guy.
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