On Thu, 2003-08-21 at 03:22, James Sparenberg wrote:
> On Wed, 2003-08-20 at 23:31, Alex Fisher wrote:
> > Daniel Anderson wrote:
> > 
> > >> > Any ideas why this redirection is happening or how to fix it?
> > >> 
> > >> Question here.  Do you,
> > >> 1. Accept cookies
> > >> 2. Accept cookies from a 3rd party server.
> > >> 
> > >> I wasn't doing either one.
> > >> 
> > >> James
> > > 
> > > I have disabled cookies in both konqueror and mozilla, and deleted all
> > > cookies and history, still the same response.
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > Dan
> > 
> > It's not a cookie problem. I have the same requirement in all my browsers,
> > that requires all cookies to be displayed for acceptance or rejection. I
> > had no cookies from any site when I was redirected.
> > 
> > I suspect a CGI or javascript is involved, which hijacks your connection. It
> > would seem that it might be browser-specific, and also have a random factor
> > built in to it's execution.
> > 
> > What I found interesting was that the site I eventually ended up at (yes I
> > clicked to see where it led) wanted me to download an executable. I have no
> > need of windows to know what this executable does. Briefly, when you
> > install it, it disconnects your modem, mutes the speaker and redials to a
> > 1900 number. The first most users know of it is when they get a phone bill
> > showing a call to an overseas location, which was charged to them at a rate
> > of roughly $10 (US) per minute...
> > 
> > I think bandwidthplace needs to check their servers (and javascript code).
> 
> Could well be a rouge man in the middle hijack.  In other words it's not
> your browser but rather your DNS.   Although I don't understand the
> methodology I'm told that it is possible to "fake" or otherwise override
> DNS so that people are redirected who don't want to be.  (This may
> explain why I get the right site and others don't)   Other option is
> that if they have their load balancing hosed it could be like a phone
> system we had.  6 lines and if line one was busy it went to 2 then 3 etc
> etc.  And all of our numbers where sequential.  One day we got a call
> from a gentleman.  Yep, he had the next number after us, and the phone
> company system was sending our calls to him when all 6 numbers where
> busy. 
> 
> James
> 
> 
> 
I have looked into (slightly) the type of redirect Alex was mentioning,
(see http://www.wsbtv.com/video/2005705/detail.html and www.alyon.net)
as this second one is one of the 'billing' resources this scam uses)and
I am pretty sure they can _not_ redirect IP blocks that they are sure
are from certain areas, where the law is already wise to them.

I also recommend every time a URL comes to your attention like this,
fire off an e-mail to with the URL to your LOCAL State Attorney General.
almost every state has ongoing investigations into this scam. and offer
to help them use linux.  


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