We both are right? I can live with that. Take care, and see you in '07. Bill
>>> GaryK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 11/18/06 7:11 PM >>> No pissing match at all. I just asked him to confirm what I thought we had on the car before I replied. It probably works like one, and yet it technically isn't one, so we are both right. ;-) Gary At 05:40 PM 11/18/2006, you wrote: >Gary, >Not trying to get in a pissing match, but I was only relaying what your >Dad had told me this summer. He said that although it technically wasnt >a 4 link (because of the hairpin style links) it behaved the same as a 4 >link and that he had put them in the car himself. Also said that Red >Devil didnt do 4 link cars until about 1998 , or so. I have not done the >4 link on mine yet, but plan on doing it soon. My only has about 10 >projects lined up for it right now, including straightening the bent >front end. My car would do good on a 1/4 mile oval the way it is right >now ;) >Bill Schmidt 88 RD Kawi > > >>> GaryK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 11/18/06 3:34 PM >>> >WRONG! :-) > >Our car is not a 4 link, nor has it ever had a 4 link. What you see is >just the trailing arms that are mounted above and below the rear axle >and >then those 2 rods go to a plate which has 1 connector connecting it to >the >frame. > >The rear end arrangement has been modified by my dad over several years >and >he looked at the other cars in the class and took those arrangements and > >made what we use today. And the first time we took it out with those >changes we had no idea what to expect. We just hoped it would work >better >than what we had. And it did. We then fine tuned the settings and have > >been running it ever since, with minor changes here and there, as we >learn >the car more and got more comfortable in it. > >Every car has it's own quirks, what works on one may not work on someone > >else's. Seat time and learning the cars capabilities and limits are >very >important with these cars. > >Gary Kramar >1999 and 2006 Solo Champion > > >At 12:58 AM 11/17/2006, Jan Schmidt wrote: > >Chris, > >I understand that you dont want to mickey mouse a race car, however, > >these cars are the simplest, crudest race cars on the planet. This >stuff > >is not rocket science. If you get the wrong angle or ratio, you re-make > >the part ormodify it. Secondly, I dont know what type of weird axle you > >have. Mine is 1 piece solid steel rod (I think it is 1 inch if memory > >serves). On my car it will be a cake walk, not sure about yours. And > >yes, a car that is already converted to 4 link is certainly worth more, > >even if it is an old car. By the way, I believe that this years >National > >Solo Champ car was converted to 4 link by the owner at home with > >inexpensive home-made parts (just like I was talking about in my > >previous posting). > >Bill Schmidt RD Kawi > > > > >>> Chris Reinhardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 11/16/06 12:59 PM >>> > > Bill, talk to Q, but I think if you mckey mouse the 4 link together, > >you defeat the purpose. Unless the rockers and bellcranks are of the > >correct ratios, along with the angles of the push rods and shocks, > >you'll have something different. The axle tube is not centered on the > >axle, it's short on the drive side, so the axle, shims, brake and drive > >hubs, wheel hubs, either have to be correct, or compensate for > >everything, again, defeating the purpose. > > It's not hard or expensive to put a "4 link" in there, but if you > >want it right.... > > I hear yah, $2k on a $2.5k car, but a decent even converted car >would > >be $6-$8k. > > > > > > CR > > > >Jan Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Chris, > >I dont know about your car, but when I get around to doing mine I will > >re-use as much as is possible. I will re-use shock cannisters, rockers > >and bellcranks (If I need new ones, they wont be billet,just plain old > >steel), axle tube (why on earth would you need a new axle?????or a new > >tube). The $300 I was talking about involved: bearing flanges, radius > >rods, rod ends and misc tubing to connect it to the frame, and of >course > >a panhard rod. I am willing to bet I can do it and still have the car > >lose 10 to 20 lbs of weight. Yes , I am just like the other guy that > >posted, not puting a $2000 to $2500 4 link on my $2500 car. Would I put > >one on a $7500 car, hell yes! If it was about 7 years newer, I >certainly > >would. > >Bill schmidt 88 Red Devil Kawi > > > > >>> Chris Reinhardt 11/16/06 6:28 AM >>> > >The shocks are over $100 a piece, there's billet rockers and > >bellcranks, the tube the axle sits in is a couple hundred, the axle > >itself is $100 and change, hubs, drive and brake hubs, disk, caliper, > >radius rods and rod ends, and knowing it was welded in > >straight....pricelss.. > > > >It adds up pretty quick, I'm doing one myself, if mine wasn't custom, > >I would had Mike do it and it would have done already... > > > >CR > > > >Jan Schmidt wrote: > >I bet you could do your own for about $300 in materials. > >Bill Schmidt 88 red devil kawi > > > > >>> Lee Tilton 11/15/06 4:47 PM >>> > >Rory, > > > >I talked to Mike at Quadrini today about the rear upgrade. He said it >is > > > >about $2k to put one of his setups in. I really need to see one before >I > > > >go any farther. Remember, my car is only for autox and for my son > >(apprentice mechanic at Chrysler) to mess with for learning. I'm not > >sure I wnat to invest that kind of $ since we have no intention of >doing > > > >anything more than playing with the car. > > > > > > > > > > Subject: > > > Re: [F500] Zink rear suspension upgrade? > > > From: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Date: > > > Wed, 15 Nov 2006 09:46:34 -0500 > > > To: > > > [email protected] > > > > > > To: > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > >lee if you want to up grade your rearend I have a red deviel that >needs > >up grading also If we can get together I may be intrested in doing both > >at the same time. share cost and time. should go fast fortwo of us > >doing it vs just one rory > > > > > > > >--------------------------------- > >Sponsored Link > > > >Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $510,000 Mortgage for $1,698/mo - > >Calculate new house payment > > > > > > > >--------------------------------- > >Sponsored Link > > > > Mortgage rates as low as 4.625% - $150,000 loan for $579 a month. > >Intro-*Terms ________________________________ FormulaCar Magazine - A Proud Supporter of Formula 500 The Official Publication of Junior Formula Car Racing Subscribe Today! www.formulacarmag.com or 519-624-2003 _________________________________ _______________________________________________ F500 mailing list - [email protected] To unsubscribe or change options please visit: http://f500.org/mailman/listinfo/f500 *** Please, DO NOT send unsubscribe requests to the mailing list! ***
