Cory,
The F250/350 or Excursions are great. Howwever, the GAS mileage is a costly
endeavor. Our '06 250 V10 get about 7.5- 9.5 mpg with your old trailer.
They ride great even at speeds over 75 mph. Just take plenty of gas cards
or get the diesel. April hates the diesel sound, and I am sure A-M would
too. Just remember you tow way less than you drive to the grocery store.
Steven
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Today's Topics:
1. towing advice, part 2 (Cory McLeod)
2. Re: towing advice, part 2 (Chris Reinhardt)
3. RE: towing advice, part 2 (Chuck Voboril)
4. Re: towing advice, part 2 (Jan Schmidt)
5. Re: towing advice, part 2 (Cory McLeod)
6. Re: Re: [F500] towing advice, part 2 (Christopher Eveland)
7. RE: Re: [F500] towing advice, part 2 (Jay Novak)
8. RE: Re: [F500] towing advice, part 2 (Chris Reinhardt)
9. Re: Re: [F500] towing advice, part 2 (Chris Reinhardt)
From: Cory McLeod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: F500 <[email protected]>
Subject: [F500] towing advice, part 2
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 13:28:51 -0800 (PST)
Thanks to everyone who responded to my question about trailers. I settled
on an 18x8.5 Pace with a V-nose (total trailer length 22", including the V
and tongue).
Now I'm looking for a tow vehicle, and would once again like to tap the
collective knowledge of F500. My previous tow vehicle (2004 Ford
Expediction) was great, and the 5.4 engine pulled my old 16x7 trailer with
plenty of power to spare, but I am considering an Excursion this time. I
know - tree huggers feel free to flame me.
Since my new trailer is larger and a little bit heavier than my old one,
I think the longer wheelbase and heavy duty frame/suspension of the
Excursion will serve me well.
My question is - do I need one of the larger engines in the Excursion,
or will the 5.4 suffice when towing the loaded trailer (approx. 5,500-6,000
pounds)?
In order to save some time with the replys, here's some more info:
Why not an F250 or 2500 truck? - compromise with the wife (aka - my new
crew chief)
Why not just get the diesel Excursion? - it's amazing how much of a
premium the diesel adds to the price of low mileage Excursions, which puts
them out of my budget.
Thanks, Cory
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From: Chris Reinhardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [F500] towing advice, part 2
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 14:00:38 -0800 (PST)
Diesel is the way to go if it's in the budget... It's amazing the
difference between a single axle and tandem axle trailer weight. If you
had a single axle trailer, a gas motor would be my choice.
I have a E250 van with the Triton 5.4, I don't pull a trailer, just
load it to the gills, it pulls great. Ford has a problematic issue with
head gaskets on 5.4. They leak oil and or antifreeze, usually at the rear
of the head. Just an FYI if you're looking at used, I bought mine used
from a dealer, and they swapped the gasket for free, it still leaks...
CR
Cory McLeod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Thanks to everyone who responded to my question about trailers. I
settled on an 18x8.5 Pace with a V-nose (total trailer length 22",
including the V and tongue).
Now I'm looking for a tow vehicle, and would once again like to tap the
collective knowledge of F500. My previous tow vehicle (2004 Ford
Expediction) was great, and the 5.4 engine pulled my old 16x7 trailer with
plenty of power to spare, but I am considering an Excursion this time. I
know - tree huggers feel free to flame me.
Since my new trailer is larger and a little bit heavier than my old one, I
think the longer wheelbase and heavy duty frame/suspension of the Excursion
will serve me well.
My question is - do I need one of the larger engines in the Excursion, or
will the 5.4 suffice when towing the loaded trailer (approx. 5,500-6,000
pounds)?
In order to save some time with the replys, here's some more info:
Why not an F250 or 2500 truck? - compromise with the wife (aka - my new
crew chief)
Why not just get the diesel Excursion? - it's amazing how much of a premium
the diesel adds to the price of low mileage Excursions, which puts them out
of my budget.
Thanks, Cory
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From: "Chuck Voboril" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [F500] towing advice, part 2
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 15:29:58 -0700
As usual the answer is: it depends.
One has to lilke the smell, sound, and apples to apples lower HP of diesel
to even consider one-along with having to own it for awhile to even
partially offset the up front motor cost.
If this is the last truck you will own for many years, diesel looks better.
They are quieter and more fuel efficient now than ever before.
The unregulated particles emitted from even the cleanest are still cancer
causing.
But as the Brits like to say: "The bloke behind gets that".
If you have lotsa really high mountain roads (6-10,000 ft altitiude) that
sap HP-it has GOT to be a puffer Diesel-or you shall hate the extra
vacation time you spend on hills.
A V-nose can have lower drag-but it is an unstable shape and causes extra
grief to light tow vehicles-especially those with smaller profiles than
that of the trailer.
I'd do a tall long cap if you get a pickup.
I have a small E350 van-based V-10 powered C motor home and it gets
slightly better gas mileage with a trailer behind it on the level since the
trailer helps close in the air behind the big boxy home shape.
I now have a 980# empty Pace enclosed low end cheap Journeyman trailer for
my FA-like car. The loaded trailer is about 2000#. I don't even know it is
there most of the time.
Overall average towing (or not) is about 10 mpg at an average of 63 mph.
Never lower than 8.2 in heavy winds or mountains or higher speeds and never
more than 11.
I have changed to extremely light synthetic in motor and diff and so far no
measureable improvement. I have a 10" airdam and no measureable help there
either.
A chip and an exhaust system may help. Also looking at airvane vortex
generators like the tractor/ trailers use. They claim 5% or more gain.
Dunno if any of this is worth it.
Chuck
From: "Jan Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [F500] towing advice, part 2
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 18:55:20 -0600
As a person who works on diesel trucks for a living, I can tell you that
diesel trucks are bad ass. They last forever if taken care of. If you
are only going to put a few miles on it a year, then get a gas engine,
but if you want something that will last 300,000 miles or more, get the
diesel. I have seen Dodges with the Cummins diesel go 750,000 miles
before a rebuild!!! I want to get a diesel for myself, but will probably
get a VW diesel. My race car and trailer are only 1200 lbs total.
Bill Schmidt (I do body work, but do it on diesel mack trucks)
>>> Cory McLeod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 12/10/06 3:28 PM >>>
Thanks to everyone who responded to my question about trailers. I
settled on an 18x8.5 Pace with a V-nose (total trailer length 22",
including the V and tongue).
Now I'm looking for a tow vehicle, and would once again like to tap
the collective knowledge of F500. My previous tow vehicle (2004 Ford
Expediction) was great, and the 5.4 engine pulled my old 16x7 trailer
with plenty of power to spare, but I am considering an Excursion this
time. I know - tree huggers feel free to flame me.
Since my new trailer is larger and a little bit heavier than my old
one, I think the longer wheelbase and heavy duty frame/suspension of the
Excursion will serve me well.
My question is - do I need one of the larger engines in the Excursion,
or will the 5.4 suffice when towing the loaded trailer (approx.
5,500-6,000 pounds)?
In order to save some time with the replys, here's some more info:
Why not an F250 or 2500 truck? - compromise with the wife (aka - my
new crew chief)
Why not just get the diesel Excursion? - it's amazing how much of a
premium the diesel adds to the price of low mileage Excursions, which
puts them out of my budget.
Thanks, Cory
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From: Cory McLeod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [F500] towing advice, part 2
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:08:32 -0800 (PST)
Thanks to Chris, Chuck, and Bill. Great info - especially the head gasket
issue with the 5.4. Unfortunately, the $8k and up premium for the
Excursion diesel puts a low mileage one out of my budget.
What I am hoping for is some feedback from someone who may have an F250
or Excursion with the 5.4 and has either successfully or unsuccessfully
used it to tow an approx 6k pound trailer.
Chuck - what type of "grief" should I expect from towing a V-nose
trailer?
Thanks, Cory
Jan Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
As a person who works on diesel trucks for a living, I can tell you that
diesel trucks are bad ass. They last forever if taken care of. If you
are only going to put a few miles on it a year, then get a gas engine,
but if you want something that will last 300,000 miles or more, get the
diesel. I have seen Dodges with the Cummins diesel go 750,000 miles
before a rebuild!!! I want to get a diesel for myself, but will probably
get a VW diesel. My race car and trailer are only 1200 lbs total.
Bill Schmidt (I do body work, but do it on diesel mack trucks)
>>> Cory McLeod 12/10/06 3:28 PM >>>
Thanks to everyone who responded to my question about trailers. I
settled on an 18x8.5 Pace with a V-nose (total trailer length 22",
including the V and tongue).
Now I'm looking for a tow vehicle, and would once again like to tap
the collective knowledge of F500. My previous tow vehicle (2004 Ford
Expediction) was great, and the 5.4 engine pulled my old 16x7 trailer
with plenty of power to spare, but I am considering an Excursion this
time. I know - tree huggers feel free to flame me.
Since my new trailer is larger and a little bit heavier than my old
one, I think the longer wheelbase and heavy duty frame/suspension of the
Excursion will serve me well.
My question is - do I need one of the larger engines in the Excursion,
or will the 5.4 suffice when towing the loaded trailer (approx.
5,500-6,000 pounds)?
In order to save some time with the replys, here's some more info:
Why not an F250 or 2500 truck? - compromise with the wife (aka - my
new crew chief)
Why not just get the diesel Excursion? - it's amazing how much of a
premium the diesel adds to the price of low mileage Excursions, which
puts them out of my budget.
Thanks, Cory
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From: "Christopher Eveland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Re: [F500] towing advice, part 2
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 20:05:52 -0500
I have a E250 van with the Triton 5.4, I don't pull a trailer, just
load it to the gills, it pulls great. Ford has a problematic issue with
head gaskets on 5.4. They leak oil and or antifreeze, usually at the rear
of the head. Just an FYI if you're looking at used, I bought mine used
from a dealer, and they swapped the gasket for free, it still leaks...
You're stuffing an F500 into the E250, or is this an unrelated work
van? I was kinda thinking about a cargo van as an alternative to a
tow-vehicle/trailer combo. Anyone else doing this? The Dodge
Sprinters look like a decent package w/ the diesel, etc, altho they
are a little pricey compared to the "domestic" options.
-Chris
From: "Jay Novak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: Re: [F500] towing advice, part 2
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 20:26:20 -0500
I have towed with the the 5.4 in a E250 van. It will pull a 6000 lb
trailer
no problem. That is the limit though. I now have an F250 with a 7.3
diesel
& will never tow with anything else. At 70 to 75 mph I get 11 - 12 mpg with
the diesel when towing.
Thanks ... Jay Novak
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
Christopher Eveland
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 8:06 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Re: [F500] towing advice, part 2
> I have a E250 van with the Triton 5.4, I don't pull a trailer, just
load it to the gills, it pulls great. Ford has a problematic issue with
head gaskets on 5.4. They leak oil and or antifreeze, usually at the rear
of the head. Just an FYI if you're looking at used, I bought mine used
from
a dealer, and they swapped the gasket for free, it still leaks...
You're stuffing an F500 into the E250, or is this an unrelated work
van? I was kinda thinking about a cargo van as an alternative to a
tow-vehicle/trailer combo. Anyone else doing this? The Dodge
Sprinters look like a decent package w/ the diesel, etc, altho they
are a little pricey compared to the "domestic" options.
-Chris
From: Chris Reinhardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Re: [F500] towing advice, part 2
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 18:07:53 -0800 (PST)
Jay, has Ford resolved that issue with the head gaskets? I love that
Van, it rides well and goes like stink! It's the exntended, I think I can
sneak the F500 chassis in there. Q had sugested putting trailer wheels on
the car to help it with the width...
CR
Jay Novak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I have towed with the the 5.4 in a E250 van. It will pull a 6000 lb
trailer
no problem. That is the limit though. I now have an F250 with a 7.3 diesel
& will never tow with anything else. At 70 to 75 mph I get 11 - 12 mpg with
the diesel when towing.
Thanks ... Jay Novak
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
Christopher Eveland
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 8:06 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Re: [F500] towing advice, part 2
> I have a E250 van with the Triton 5.4, I don't pull a trailer, just
load it to the gills, it pulls great. Ford has a problematic issue with
head gaskets on 5.4. They leak oil and or antifreeze, usually at the rear
of the head. Just an FYI if you're looking at used, I bought mine used from
a dealer, and they swapped the gasket for free, it still leaks...
You're stuffing an F500 into the E250, or is this an unrelated work
van? I was kinda thinking about a cargo van as an alternative to a
tow-vehicle/trailer combo. Anyone else doing this? The Dodge
Sprinters look like a decent package w/ the diesel, etc, altho they
are a little pricey compared to the "domestic" options.
-Chris
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From: Chris Reinhardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Re: [F500] towing advice, part 2
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 18:09:30 -0800 (PST)
Chris, I know Q stuffed a QRE into a Chevy Express van...
CR
Christopher Eveland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have a E250 van with the Triton 5.4, I don't pull a trailer, just
load it to the gills, it pulls great. Ford has a problematic issue with
head gaskets on 5.4. They leak oil and or antifreeze, usually at the rear
of the head. Just an FYI if you're looking at used, I bought mine used from
a dealer, and they swapped the gasket for free, it still leaks...
You're stuffing an F500 into the E250, or is this an unrelated work
van? I was kinda thinking about a cargo van as an alternative to a
tow-vehicle/trailer combo. Anyone else doing this? The Dodge
Sprinters look like a decent package w/ the diesel, etc, altho they
are a little pricey compared to the "domestic" options.
-Chris
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