David, I think a steering committee would be an excellent idea...as would, as you sort of elude to, an F500 Drivers Association. A collective voice would be a huge idea.
Take care, Rob Howden Publisher / Editor-in-Chief - eKartingNews.com - eKartingNews.ca - eFormulaCarNews.com - FormulaCar Magazine Ph: 519-624-2003 Fax: 519-624-0053 P.O. Box 580 Cambridge, Ontario Canada N1R 5W1 -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 1:09 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [F500] Class survival. - losing vs. gaining-anoutsider'sviewpoint. No, Lou; I think what everyone is waiting on is for someone to take charge and see this through. Currently, what I read on this site is a lot of good advice and recommendations, a lot of focused opinions, several hidden agendas, and a plethora of whining. My suggestions on how to get organized: 1. Appoint someone to chair a steering committee who's sole charter is to organize the F5/FMod racers. This person would have the authority to convene a steering committee. 2. Convene the steering committee to establish the organization that will collectively bring forth the goals and issues of Formula 500 to the SCCA. 3. Attend the June Sprints. Notice I didn't say ENTER the June Sprints (that would be in addition to attending). Road America is fairly centrally located, there will be a good turnout of F5 entrants and the rest of us can just get in our cars and drive our butts up (out, back, or over) there. 4. Debate the issues. Determine what is important and what is not. 5. Vote either at the Sprints or by absentee ballot once the issues are published. 6. Execute the majority rule. 7. Disband the steering committee. NOTE: In this world in which we live, there are no free rides. I would not give the steering committee the "license to steal" but, once chartered, the newly formed F5/FMod association should levy a fee for membership (e.g., MLB, NFL, NBA, and FIA all do it). Members (or their proxy) vote. Non-members don't. It is time to get organized and step up. Dave Gill Crew Person ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 11:15 AM Subject: RE: [F500] Class survival. - losing vs. gaining-anoutsider'sviewpoint. > 1. One other point to made. Son, Jim Schultz deals with all levels of > the > karting industry for living. He's told me the karting guys are all over > the > eformulacarnews web site. Didn't I hear something about attracting more > people from karting??? Then this would be the site to hang out in. > > 2. Rob Howden is giving his support to F500 racing by initiating the > FormulaCar Magazine F500 Challenge Cup. Hera's somebody clearly in our > court! > > Are you F5'rs waiting for a bolt of lighting to show you the way...? > > Louie Schultz > Philly Region > > >> Hi folks, >> >> As Ted has stated, there is already a forum for Formula 500 set up and >> running for the class at www.eformulacarnews.com. I pay a full-time >> moderator and we support F500 more than any other motorsports media >> source in the work. If we need to adjust our F500 forum to include >> different headings and sub-section etc, that's fine with me. I can also >> give anyone you see fit with moderator status for the F500 alone. >> >> That stated, anything I tread of starting a separate for really upsets >> me. If you guys head off and start your own forum, you can kiss any of >> my support good-bye. I bust my ass running a business to support >> formula car racing, I attend events, and I pay money out of my own >> pocket to pay my staff to publicize this sport. The forums out there >> (Spec Miata / Apexspeed) are done by enthusiasts, and that's great, but >> we are the ones who cover the events, spend time on the road away from >> out families covering racing and work our asses off to produce a >> publication. Our website relies on traffic to sell advertising and we >> need forum traffic to supply our advertisers with the value they are >> looking for. We need the support of the F500 community. >> >> To be honest, FormulaCar Magazine and eformulacarnews.com have made very >> little money yet....it's going to have to change soon. >> >> Take care, >> >> Rob Howden >> Publisher / Editor-in-Chief >> - eKartingNews.com >> - eKartingNews.ca >> - eFormulaCarNews.com >> - FormulaCar Magazine >> Ph: 519-624-2003 >> Fax: 519-624-0053 >> P.O. Box 580 >> Cambridge, Ontario >> Canada N1R 5W1 >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >> Ted Rudolph >> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 10:31 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: RE: [F500] Class survival. - losing vs. gaining >> -anoutsider'sviewpoint. >> >> No money, Jay - the phpBB software that most folks use is free & Eric >> probably has it on his site already for other clients. We use it for >> PhillySCCA.com & I use it for numerous other things as well. vBulletin >> is nicer, but it costs money. We use that at champcarfanatics.com >> because that's what we started with. For the volume on this list phpBB >> is just fine. >> >> The only 'cost' factor comes from moderation (in terms of time). For the >> most part the discussion is civilized, but I know of one member here >> that would be a moderator's nightmare. >> >> And consider this a "third" (4th?) endorsement for forms. Some folks >> have seen this below from an off-line discussion about F5. But since >> it's relevant I'll copy it here: >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Posted by Ted_R: >> >> The current mailing list - while somewhat adequate & very comfortable >> for the participating members - is an archaic concept that does not >> market the class well to outsiders. Let me repeat that - the Mailing >> list does not market our class well to outsiders. >> >> The modern on-line world revolves around the discussion forum. There are >> numerous sociological reasons for this (and I can post links if you >> really want to argue this point - I had to do that for PhillySCCA when >> we transitioned from their various mailing lists). Suffice to say >> mailing lists are not considered to be Newbie friendly by the Online >> experts. There's far greater development work being performed in the >> realm of forum software - that, in itself, should be an indication of >> the perception of mailing lists to the online world. >> >> One example I can give is the transition we saw in the Philly Region. >> The Region itself began experimenting with a forum to supplement their >> general-use mailing list. Two years after the forum was established, the >> number of members was 4 times greater than the mailing list, and the >> posting volume was 5 times higher. Likewise, the participation at Solo >> events has, on average, doubled in the Philly Region. >> >> The marketing angle isn't the only reason to move to a forum. The >> ability to separate threads into various topics is a huge help in >> sorting & organizing information. >> >> Likewise, the Permissions / Group / Membership functions of a forum can >> allow private areas where more volital discussions can take place >> without scaring away the folks who are simply browsing for 'newbie' >> information. Additionally, a private subsection of the forum can be used >> by the Leadership folks as their primary method of communication - >> speeding up the discussion process of any new topics. >> >> After significant arm-twisting we were able to move the Leadership of >> the PhillySCCA from mailing lists to a forum discussion. This allowed >> the team running the Solo events to hash out plans and ideas in a much >> quicker fashion. They could also sort out the various discussion & >> improve the Solo program to be able to handle the increased loads. Face >> to face meetings, conference calls, and other functions quickly >> disappeared. >> >> The only grey area would be the involvement of Rob Howden's forums. >> Rob's forums could be a useful tool for F500 (if utilized correctly), >> but their current format isn't quite enough to fill our group's needs. >> Rob could, however, interface his forums with a subset of our own >> forums. This "portal" from his site to ours would relieve the load on >> his site while still providing the needed information to his >> subscribers. Rob's portal would provide another marketing venue for us, >> and we'd provide content for him - if he were willing to do this on his >> site (an example of this system can be seen at AutoRacing1.com's forums >> - their forums are actually a selected subset of Motorsport.com's >> forums. MarkC simply provides a window from his site). >> >> The class needs to attract new, fresh, competitors and we need to >> improve the interactivity of our class. If we want this class to seem >> current and attractive to others - esp. those not currently racing >> and/or under the age of 35 - we need to dump the mailing list in favor >> of a forum. >> >> -Ted >> #98 NEdiv driver (and occasional F-First cushion) >> >> PS. Louie, I'm back on-line.... >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Novak >> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 10:10 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: RE: [F500] Class survival. - losing vs. gaining - >> anoutsider'sviewpoint. >> >> This is a great idea Flash, I suspect it takes a huge amount of work to >> keep >> a forum going as well as some $$$. How do we get something like this >> going. >> >> Thanks ... Jay Novak >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of >> Flash. >> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 9:57 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [F500] Class survival. - losing vs. gaining - an >> outsider'sviewpoint. >> >> >> thanks for your kind words, which add detail to the comments i made in a >> generic sense. I would further consider the specmiata.com forum >> software >> outdated, it's about 5 years past its prime with VBB and phpBB replacing >> it >> in almost every other venue. But getting "old guys" to change their >> ways is >> not a trivial task. >> >> I started on the f500 forum too, for a kid of my age (18-25 demo), >> forums >> are our first source of knowledge of a particular topic. Look at the >> success of Wikipedia which is basically a fan-supported >> encyclopedia/forum. >> >> fwiw (an aside): >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F500 >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spec_miata >> >> both resources anyone that feels they might like to add to are welcome >> to >> >> I dont want to go too far down this comparison path, because I don't >> consider SM an equal to f500, I think they are very different animals. >> My >> choosing SM over f500 has a lot to do with presentation of the community >> and >> all the components together have made me forge my way into amateur >> racing. >> WITHOUT THE SUPPORT OF MAZDA, MY FRIENDS IN THE COMMUNITY, >> SPECMIATA.COM, >> MIATA.NET and MAZDA'S REVITUP I would have NOTHING to do with amateur >> racing >> in any way, even with regard to Mazda. I would be fumbling with my >> civic's >> stereo still. And to leave SM, well I am making a decent second living >> in >> miata parts, so it won't be soon. (race sunday, sell monday). >> >> SM is a great first step. Perhaps f500 or others should align >> themselves >> with illustrating how they can become the "next step" or... >> >> fund or support a "first step" in open wheel, even if that means a >> fendered >> car, or simplify f500 to be that first step. >> >> I might make an unpopular statement here but I feel that fvee and f500 >> are >> too similar, they should be seperated further...or somehow combined >> (:ducks:). >> >> I have batted around the idea of a succession tree for club racing, I >> think >> it's something SCCA out to consider formerly supporting at the corporate >> level. >> >> >> On 3/14/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > >> > I second the motion. >> > Louie Schultz >> > Philly Region >> > >> > >> > > The excerpt below from Flash's post is a very important observation. >> > > >> > > When I first began looking at formula cars, I didn't really take >> notice >> > > of F500 because there wasn't any readily available info on the cars. >> I >> > > happened >> > > to stumble across this mail list and also a very nice modern forum. >> I am >> > > an Internet fanatic so I immediately began posting on the >> "forum-style" >> > > message board. I didn't get much response to my questions other than >> to >> > > use the mail list. Although I have come to appreciate all of the >> help I >> > > have received from the mail list, I must say it is the biggest PITA >> to >> > > use and read. Young folks who have grown up with the Internet have >> come >> > > to use modern forums for anything and everything. >> > > >> > > This may seem trivial, but groups that use modern means to foster an >> > > Internet-based community of information sharing certainly have a leg >> up >> > > on our group. I don't want to have to weed through 200 emails to >> find a >> > > post about tire mounting. And you can forget the search function. I >> want >> > > to go to a tech area, or off topic area, or events area, etc. I want >> > > pictures in my messages. I really feel that moving this community to >> the >> > > more modern forum would increase the amount of folks asking >> questions >> > > about the class. >> > > >> > > In fact, lately I have been reading the specmiata.com forum just to >> see >> > > what the class is about. The feeling of comraderie and ease of use >> found >> > > on that forum has inspired me to explore adding a spec miata to my >> > > stable. Again, it has nothing to do with not liking my car (I love >> it!); >> > > it has more to do with feeling like I am part of a community that is >> > > pulling in the same direction. >> > > >> > > I know I haven't contributed to this community much only because I >> know >> > > just enough to get in trouble. However, I do have a background in >> > > Internet services ( manage a major government multimedia and >> Internet >> > > services division) and would be happy to assist in getting us >> > modernized. >> > > >> > > Thanks for "listening", >> > > >> > > Lee >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > > > >> > > > Subject: >> > > > Re: [F500] Class survival. - losing vs. gaining - an outsider's >> > > > viewpoint. >> > > > From: >> > > > "Flash." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > > > Date: >> > > > Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:02:52 -0500 >> > > > To: >> > > > [email protected] >> > > > >> > > > To: >> > > > [email protected] >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Take a look at your community for a moment. As a spec miata >> driver we >> > have >> > > > the obvious specmiata.com to support that angle, and we have >> miata.net >> > . >> > > > Both have extensive memberships, huge aftermarket and manufacturer >> > support, >> > > > and they easily advertise themselves. Where is f500's simple, >> generic >> > > > resource on getting in and getting the wheels spinning. (think >> about >> > other >> > > > specific examples, i.e. vw vortex for some of the production >> classes, >> > > > bimmerworld for those guys, etc, etc). Also, where is SCCA >> magazine >> > and GRM >> > > > magazine support? I don't think I've ever seen an interesting >> write >> > up on >> > > > what an f500 is or what the class is about. >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> http://beatracing.com >> 97 STS2 CRX & 97 SpecMiata >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.11/721 - Release Date: >> 3/13/2007 >> 4:51 PM >> >> -- >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.11/721 - Release Date: >> 3/13/2007 >> 4:51 PM ________________________________ FormulaCar Magazine - A Proud Supporter of Formula 500 The Official Publication of Junior Formula Car Racing Subscribe Today! www.formulacarmag.com or 519-624-2003 _________________________________ _______________________________________________ F500 mailing list - [email protected] To unsubscribe or change options please visit: http://f500.org/mailman/listinfo/f500 *** Please, DO NOT send unsubscribe requests to the mailing list! ***
