You said, "He says that salvage yard (Internet or otherwise) motors can be very good deals since many people who crash them do it early in the Bike's life."
You can probably get a good deal in Norfolk, Va as well. From what I have heard, the Navy boys have money saved up from months at sea. They tend to crash the bikes they buy pretty quickly, so there usually are some pretty good engines available. -----Original Message----- From: "Chuck Voboril" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 21:51:41 To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [F500] Some GSXR600 prices and typical shop practices I stopped at Town and Country Suzuki in Gilbert AZ today and talked to both the parts guys and the service guys. This is a very large dealership with Internet sales. They very rarely replace an entire motor (they repair instead) and do not stock complete motors. New motors are around $5500. That was a VERY rough estimate the parts guy gave me w/out looking it up. They say that the most popular expensive motor problem is that someone over-revs and bends the valves and sometimes destroys the head. They sometimes replace the entire top end (head and valves) Sometimes just the runined valves If one blows up the lower end-they fix it and use the top end on it again if they can. They ocassionally just replace all the lower end bearings where someone has probably set the idle too low-the Service guy says that he thinks the over 12:1 compression motors don't like low oil pressure from low RPM's and pound out the bearings. They have discount Internet pricing and a GSXR600 crank is $607, rods are $300 a set of 4. Bearings, gaskets, and shims are extra-forgot to get their prices. Labor is $84.50 an hour. Very rough estimate of 25 hours to do a lower end replacement. ($2112 labor only) Forgot to get a price for a case. Might not always need one. Other Rebuild parts using their Internet site prices: Factory Piston and rings $101 per hole, 4 sets is $404-they recommend forged aftermarket pistons-they say they last twice as long and cost about the same as factory parts. Valves, about $30 each average. Set of 16=$480 CR said he got a price of $16 and $24 each for valves, that would be $320 a set of 16. Don't know if that was a GSXR600 or just something similar. Guides: $6 and $8 each. Labor to adjust valves on a typical good 16 valve motor not needing any parts, 3 hours at 84.50/hr or $253 Finally, the Suzuki service guy I spoke with said that his own opinion was that Honda motors last twice as long as Suzuki and that the order of preference for durability was Honda, Suzuki, Yamaha, and then Kawasaki. Oddly, Honda also makes the most HP in the 600cc class. He says that salvage yard (Internet or otherwise) motors can be very good deals since many people who crash them do it early in the Bike's life. Also said that recent model street bikes are usuallly short shifted and in pretty good condition when they are crashed. Very few people can ride flat out on the street. However, we do have some illegal canyon racing on the East end of the valley on the Apache trail. I have also heard from the guys that I work with that race that there are plenty of people out doing track days with their street motorcycles. But I reckon that the sessions are probably not very long compared to a real road race. Finally, Phoenix may be unusual as an area for racing street bikes-we have 3 major race facilities across the valley, each with several race courses. (FIR, PIR, and AMP which will reopen this fall) Chuck ________________________________ FormulaCar Magazine - A Proud Supporter of Formula 500 The Official Publication of Junior Formula Car Racing Subscribe Today! www.formulacarmag.com or 519-624-2003 _________________________________ _______________________________________________ F500 mailing list - [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe or change options please visit: http://f500.org/mailman/listinfo/f500 *** Please, DO NOT send unsubscribe requests to the mailing list! ***
