On 2017-01-29 16:20, John Benediktsson wrote: > It would be nice to improve startup time. I imagine some low hanging > fruits if we looked deeply into it. I'll make a note to get that on my > list, unless someone looks into it sooner. > > > >> On Jan 28, 2017, at 2:25 PM, pet...@riseup.net wrote: >> >> I spend a lot of time writing small scripts, often in bash. That is >> becoming a more and more painful task as bash is a nice-enough >> language >> on the first look but in the end it seems to go out of it's way to >> trip >> you up with every character you type. I don't mean to rant, I know >> it's >> an old language that has to keep a lot of backward compatibility and >> it >> actually still serves very well for what it was designed for, as long >> as >> your script stays <100 lines. Still, there's a lot to be desired. >> >> Factor is a cool language, it's very expressive, mature, has a lot of >> libraries and has all sorts of tricks up its sleaves to bend it to >> your >> will (much like lisp in that regard). It would be a fun experiment to >> write a library or EDSL (embedded DSL) for bash-like scripting. >> However >> there's a bone to be picked: >> >> $ time bash -c '' >> bash -c '' 0.00s user 0.00s system 94% cpu 0.004 total >> >> $ time factor-vm -e='' >> factor-vm -e='' 0.12s user 0.05s system 99% cpu 0.178 total >> >> I know one can create a custom image and maybe cut down on the startup >> a >> bit, but my question is - would it be possible to cut it down to >> bash's >> startup time *and* still have all the necessary vocabularies in it? I >> don't want to know the startup time with a small image that has like >> nothing in it, I can quickly test that myself. I'd need help to answer >> - >> if you imagine the use case I'm talking about, include all the vocabs >> that use case would need and make all other possible optimizations (if >> there are) without sacrificing too much, can the startup reach similar >> times? >> >> -- >> ------------ >> Peter Nagy >> ------------ >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >> _______________________________________________ >> Factor-talk mailing list >> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > _______________________________________________ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Hi John, you think you can reach similar startup times? That would be really cool. I guess your todo list is rather long though. As a side note, are there other concatenative languages you know I could look at? -- ------------ Peter Nagy ------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot _______________________________________________ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
