--- In [email protected], off_world_beings 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> --- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > The Development of Scripts in India
> > 
> > Until the discovery of the Indus Valley Civilization in 1920, 
> ancient 
> > India seemingly had two main scripts in which languages were 
> written, 
> > Brahmi and Kharosti. The Brahmi script developed under Semitic 
> > influence around 7th c. BC, and was originally written from 
right 
> to 
> > left. The Kharosti script came into being during the 5th c. BC 
in 
> > northwest India which was under Persian rule. Although the 
origin 
> of 
> > the Brahmi script is uncertain, the Kharosti script is commonly 
> > accepted as a direct descendant from the Aramaic alphabet. The 
> > direction of writing in the Kharosti script is as in Aramaic, 
from 
> > right to left, and there is also a likeness of many signs having 
> > similar phonetic value.
> > 
> >   In the later centuries of its existence, Brahmi gave rise to 
> eight 
> > varieties of scripts. Three of them - the early and late Mauryas 
> and 
> > the Sunga - became the prototypes of the scripts in northern 
India 
> in 
> > the 1st c. BC and AD. Out of these developed the Gupta writing 
> which 
> > was employed from the 4th to the 6th c. AD.
> > 
> >   The Siddhamatrka script developed during the 6th c. AD from 
the 
> > western branch of the eastern Gupta character. The Siddhamatrka 
> became 
> > the ancestor of the Nagari script which is used for Sanskrit 
> today. The 
> > Nagari developed in the 7th to 9th c. AD, and has remained, 
since 
> the 
> > 7th to 9th centuries, essentially unaltered.
> > 
> >   However, certain other factors need to be considered to get 
the 
> > complete picture of script development in India. In 1920 
> archaeologists 
> > announced the discovery of extensive urban ruins in the Indus 
> Valley 
> > which pre-dated the earliest literary sources and which caused 
> scholars 
> > working on ancient texts to re-examine their views on the 
> different 
> > phases of Indian culture. The Rig Veda which speaks in such 
> derogatory 
> > terms of the enemies subdued by the Aryan tribes, gives the 
> impression 
> > that they were all savage barbarians. The Brahmins for centuries 
> have 
> > degraded the original inhabitants of India with the intention of 
> self 
> > elevation, preservation and oppression. These ancient dwellers 
in 
> India 
> > were Dravidian, and in fact, their culture had developed a 
highly 
> > sophisticated way of life which compares favorably with that of 
> > contemporary urban civilizations in Egypt and Mesopotamia.
> > 
> >   The extensive excavations carried out at the two principal 
city 
> sites, 
> > Harappa and Mohenjo-Daro, both situated in the Indus basin, 
> indicates 
> > that this Dravidian culture was well established by about 2500 
> B.C., 
> > and subsequent discoveries have revealed that it covered most of 
> the 
> > Lower Indus Valley. What we know of this ancient civilization is 
> > derived almost exclusively from archaeological data since every 
> attempt 
> > to decipher the script used by these people has failed so far. 
> Recent 
> > analyses of the order of the signs on the inscriptions have led 
> several 
> > scholars to the view that the language is not of the Indo-
European 
> > family, nor is it close to the Sumerians, Hurrians, or Elamite, 
> nor can 
> > it be related to the structure of the Munda languages of modern 
> India. 
> > If it is related to any modern language family it appears to be 
> > Dravidian akin to Old Tamil, presently spoken throughout the 
> southern 
> > part of the Indian Peninsula.
> > 
> >   What this points to is the existence of a system of writing 
far 
> more 
> > ancient than what was originally considered. For instance when 
the 
> > Indian scripts are grouped, the southern scripts form a class of 
> their 
> > own. The Grantha alphabet, which belongs to the writing system 
of 
> > southern India, developed in the 5th c. AD and was mainly used 
to 
> write 
> > Sanskrit. Inscriptions in Early Grantha, dating from the 5th to 
> 6th c. 
> > AD are on copper plates and stone monuments from the kingdom of 
> the 
> > Pallavas near Chennai (Madras).
> > 
> >   The influx of foreign invaders through the northwest over the 
> > centuries, forced the Dravidians, the original inhabitants of 
> India, 
> > south. Scholars have indicated that the south has been the 
gateway 
> for 
> > religious and cultural developments in India. Originally Grantha 
> was 
> > used for writing Sanskrit only, and Sanskrit was later 
> transliterated 
> > with Nagiri after the 7th c. AD. Scholars over the years have 
> indicated 
> > that many Hindu writings have been tampered with, and certainly 
> this 
> > could have happened during the transliteration process. The 
later 
> > varieties of the Grantha script were used to write a number of 
> > Dravidian Languages, and the modern Tamil script certainly seems 
> to be 
> > derived from Grantha.
> > 
> >   The bibliographical evidences indicate that the Vedas are 
> written in 
> > the Grantha and Nagari scripts, and according to tradition Veda 
> Vyasa, 
> > a Dravidian, compiled and wrote the Vedas. The Grantha script 
> belongs 
> > to the southern group of scripts and Veda Vyasa being a 
Dravidian 
> would 
> > certainly have used it. Since the earliest evidence for Grantha 
is 
> only 
> > in the 5th c. AD, the Vedas were written rather late.
> > 
> >   Another important fact is brought out in the account of the 
> religion, 
> > philosophy, literature, geography, chronology, astronomy, 
customs, 
> laws 
> > and astrology of India about AD 1030 by Alberuni (edited by Dr. 
> Edward 
> > C. Sachau). He states that,
> > 
> > "The Indian scribes are careless, and do not take  pains to 
> produce 
> > correct and well-collated copies. In consequence, the highest 
> results 
> > of  the author's mental development are lost by their 
negligence, 
> and 
> > his book becomes already  in the first or second copy so full of 
> > faults, that the text appears as something entirely  new, which 
> neither 
> > a scholar nor one familiar with the subject, whether Hindu or 
> Muslim,  
> > could any longer understand. It will sufficiently illustrate the 
> matter 
> > if we tell the  reader that we have sometimes written down a 
word 
> from 
> > the mouth of Hindus, taking the  greatest pains to fix its 
> > pronunciation, and that afterwards when we repeated it to them,  
> they 
> > had great difficulty in recognising it."
> > 
> > This is a clear opposite to Yuan Chwang's time in the 7th c AD, 
> when 
> > this young Chinese Buddhist scholar came to India in search of 
> > authentic sacred books which he accomplished. However, scholars 
> > indicate that the same is not true with early Tamil classics 
like 
> the 
> > Sangam literature (3rd c. BC - 3rd c. AD) which are remarkably 
> helpful 
> > in the reconstruction of history (K.K.Pillai, Tamil Literature 
as 
> > Source Material for History - Journal of Institute for Asian 
> Studies).
> > 
> > The first epigraphic evidence of Sanskrit is seen in 150 AD and 
> this 
> > inscription is in the Brahmi script.
> > 
> >   Extracted from the Encyclopedia Britannica, 1982.
> 
> 
> 
> Iteresting analysis of writing . Thanks for posting . I will keep 
it 
> Thanks.
> 
> Unfortunately , people spoke langauges and had cultures long 
before 
> they were written down, and the general concensus among scholars 
is 
> that there was a proto Indo Europena language which in terms of 
the 
> words it used Sankrit seems to have the closest relative words. 
This 
> Indo-European langauge has no proof of its existence, only 
> conjecture.  Whatever Sanskrit came from, it is close to it. Even 
> English is just a dialect of a more ancient Sankrit like langiuage.



This was supposed to be in quotes . sorry:
> "Even though Dravidian languages are based on a different model 
than 
> Sanskrit there are thirty to seventy per cent Sanskrit words in 
> south Indian languages like Telugu and Tamil, which is much higher 
> percentage than north Indian languages like Hindi. In addition 
both 
> north and south Indian languages have a similar construction and 
> phraseology that links them close together, which European 
languages 
> often do not share. This has caused some linguists even to propose 
> that Hindi was a Dravidian language. In short, the language 
compart- 
> ments, like the racial ones, are not as rigid as has been thought."
> 
> "In fact if we examine the oldest Vedic Sanskrit, we find similar 
> sounds to Dravidian languages (the cerebral letters, for example), 
> which are not present in other Indo-European tongues. This shows 
> either that there were already Drvidians in the same region as the 
> Vedic people, and part of the same culture with them, or that 
> Dravidian languages could also have been early off-shoots of 
> Sanskrit, which was the theory of the modern rishi, Sri Aurobindo."
> David Frawley:
> 
http://www.hindunet.org/hindu_history/ancient/aryan/aryan_frawley_1.h
> tml





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