Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deceiving ourselves

 


Patrick,

Thats an interesting, thought-provoking article. The cunumdrum is like
the paradox of fish -- they are surrounded by water, but don't notice
water because thats what is always there. Or like a complex loop,
built on layers and layers of deception, genetically refined over
time: we are skillfully programmed to both deceive and to not see the
deception. Or if we get through layer one, there is always layer two. ...

Think about two major areas of secular life: work and relations. The
successful, and thus those that typically breed more and/or their
offspring have higher survival rates and future propogation rates --
are um, good, smooth BSers.

How many couiples, dating, go straight for honesty? In i) presenting
themselves ("how long can I keep up this facade til he/she figures out
who i really am. Well, this new suit or car may help throw them off
guard." ), ii)  providing feedback to the other ("you look gorgeous."
"you are SUCH a good lover" ), and iii)  privately evaluating
therelationship ("I think this might be the ONE!!".

And once in a relationship, does deception decrease? Deception can
certainly bring stability to the relationship -- and thus increase the
chances for propagating progeny: "Honey do these slacks make my butt
look big?" "NO!!!!!, They make your ass look petite and hot and
totally sexy, You look like you are 18 yr olds".

In business, law, service professions -- the ability to spin, paint
the partial truth in dazzling ways -- foregoing the deeper reality --
is a hallmark of success. Charlie L. used to tell the story of making
his sales calls (he sold cement) with a bright young apprentice. After
some discussion of the merits of his product,  Charlie closed the
sale. Thr apprentice said to the customer, " You know that is such a
wise decision Mr. X. You know our competitor's product has xyz and
ours doesn't but you overlooked that because you like our service. The
customer began to waiver and aked questions about xys. Charlie grabbed
the signed contract and hussled the apprentice and he out of the
customers office.

While the school of Professional Selling, which sincerely tries to
understand and meet the customers' need, still ends up employing spin
and deception, in smooth ways, to put the product or deal in the best
light. And of course the seller, promoter, presenter, etc, rationalize
their subtle slight of hand as being whats best for the company,
goodfor society, etc.

Service professionals whose income is based on client sessions --
whether its a doctor, psychologist, ski isntrucor, yoga instructor,
contractor, etc, will always face a grey line when asked to recommend
if more or less sevices are best.

Higher dating and relations success, coupled with higher work success
and thus, often higher incomes, are two driving factors in successful
propigation -- and ensuring the propigation sucess of ones progeny.

Go down this path for 10, 100, 1000 generations and you can see how
deception may well be so inately wired into our system, its hard to
even see the water.

Thats one reason I think a sharp and discriminating use of intellect
is useful, if not vital. It won't in itself bring higher realiations,
but it can get you closer to the door by helping to seperate the wheat
from the chaff, and to keep the charlatans at bay.


 

 

 

Akasha,

 

You make lots of good points.

 

Regarding the ethics of dishonesty, your examples might consist of two separate categories. Shmoozing or falsely complimenting someone for profit is probably on the low end of the harm-to-another scale, where misrepresenting your product or your service for profit is on the high end of the scale. Inversely, one could categorize the two strategies on a wisdom scale. Shmoozing is usually consequence-free (wise); misrepresenting is asking for trouble in the long run (unwise). Harmful = stupid.

 

Of course, “spin” would include both overt lying and strategic omission, and a whole plethora of other techniques that would need to be sorted into categories. (Omission is not misrepresentation; lying is.)

 

The “honesty” subject is interesting and has lots more territory to cover. But I’m not sure a whole lot of this is directly related to self-deception.

 

-Mark

 

 

 



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