--- In [email protected], "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Tom T writes; > > On the other hand > > it seems to be that Akasha and Vaj are definitely working on a > > definition of CC, GC and UC that does not fit what the TMO has been > > handing down for years. > Vaj writes: > I should have added this before--esp. since Shearer talks on this: > You do realize that: > CC: structure=samkhya explanatory text=yoga sutras > GC: explanatory text: karma-mimamsa sutras > UC: explanatory text is the Badarayana sutras aka the "Brahma sutras". > How have Akasha or I deviated from this? I don't believe we have. > Tom T responds: > I didn't say you did anything wrong I was writing and talking from the > knowledge handed down by the TMO. Not being the scholars that Akasha > and Vaj are I was using what was given. As I said before they probably > didn't get it right and again maybe the weakness is in this > non-scholarly person. In either case I can only talk from what I know. > My recollection is that Patanajali was presented as a path to > Enlightenment including CC, GC and UC. Although there was heavy > emphasis on listening to the 9th mandala both at home and in the Dome > to stabilize GC and the 10th Mandala in the same manner to stabilize > UC. As I have written here before the TMO presented the Karma- Mimamsa > Sutras of Jamini as the means to stabilize Brahman Consciousness and > the Brahman sutras for beyond BC. Who am I to know that I was wrong > until I run into a Vaj or an Akasha who are great scholars. I am a > simple guy who spends most of his time working with people. Seems to > suit my temperament. Thanks for laying out this different model and > the sutras to make it stabilize. I will pay attention to everything > you both have written and hope again that you both realize that being > ignorant is no excuse but to have been misled by the TMO does us all a > disservice. Tom T
Hello everyone, I have been taking some time off, attending to a number of you who have "taken the plunge" into the Heart, and I would like to thank you all immensely for your skinny-dipping leap of faith into the NOW. How different your approaches are! One jumps in like a kid doing a cannonball off a high cliff (what a splash THAT makes), while others slide in so softly, so almost imperceptibly, as to make scarcely a ripple. I see now that the "shock of Brahman" -- while indeed "like getting hit by a bus" for the likes of Peter and me -- is indeed no shock at all for everyone, as Tom has been saying all along. Now: a few more thoughts come up that I offer in hopes of allaying some of the inevitable confusion. What is your ACTUAL experience of the nature of the various states of consciousness you had all been taught? I think you will find that they are impermanent. They come and go. We have highs and lows -- times of happiness and Grace and times of sorrow and Suffering. In seeking a "state of consciousness" our desires are not yet entirely fulfilled; there is always something more that we are hoping for. In other words, we think that THIS is not enough. We have conceptualized some ideal that we long for and desire. We are hoping eventually to find that PERMANENT state of enlightenment. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this; it is the play of maya - - the play of desire and fulfillment. We imagine some desire "outside" of ourselves and thereby create Time and Space -- a distance between ourselves and what we desire -- which we then (usually) eventually collapse into the Now, giving ourselves (some version of) what we desired. Then the process begins all over again. It is like a carrot on a stick out in front of us. It keeps us moving forward through space and time. But if we want to really enjoy Brahman and "permanent enlightenment," to Be Here Now, it is essential that we recognize the illusory or projective nature of this carrot-on-a-stick desire- process. This is why I said YES! when Akasha suggested I was delusional. All the states of consciousness, all desires conceptualized as something not-here-now, are impermanent, part of the play of delusion -- the game of maya. The only thing embracing them all is you, yourself. From the point of view of Now, you have maybe always been here, and maybe always will be. But the only real is NOW. You are always here, watching the movie of your own making, making up your own stories about what's "out there," sometimes getting "lost" in it, sometimes not. That's you enjoying your own stories, enjoying maya. That's it. The only state of consciousness there really is, is the one you are in right now. This is the only one that's real. All the "others" are in a sense imaginary -- in other words, not-here-now. Your ideas about them, past and future -- your memories and desires -- concretize them into snapshots, something not-here-now. Your desires for something "else" are actually creating the illusion of Time and Space as somthing not- self, something bigger than you are. When we achieve a desire, we are satisfied (because we are one with it), and we then think it was the object of desire that caused our satisfaction, and we seek out the same again or "better" versions of that object (or state of consciousness or whatever). But it is not the object of desire itself that "caused" our satisfaction or contentment; it was our being one with it. Brahman is realizing that This is Enough; that it is time to quit chasing the carrot, that we now embrace This -- whatever it is -- whole- heartedly. This requires letting go of all of our preconceptions, memory-comparisons, future-imaginings, and resistances. Life is all of it, that's all. Absolute "Good" is Brahman; absolute "Evil" is Brahman, or rather if you look closely, Life is both and neither. It is both separation and union. It is both ignorance and knowing. Why? Because we've experienced them both, and it is both right now. It has to be ALL of IT. Why? Because we've embraced all of it, accepted all of it. Because it IS. I am not going to try to describe what the result of this is, because it is literally indescribable. This is not to glamorize it, because glamour concretizes and projects something outside of yourself and the Now again. It is perhaps quite ordinary, and yet perhaps not. Any description solidifies it into another conceptual desire-picture and negates what it really is, puts a layer of expectation and denial on top of what really is. Life is a paradox. You will NEVER truly know Brahman so long as you have some idea of what it is supposed to be, because in doing so you are denying the simplicity that Life is showing you NOW. This is It. It doesn't get any better than this. If you think it does, look a little closer, relax a little more, make your peace with what Life is showing you now. It's a necessary piece of yourself. Don't flinch from it, or if you do, accept the fact that you're flinching from it. See what story you are telling yourself about it, and note that it is just a story. Please don't hesitate to take the advice of the many modern sages who put this a lot clearer than I do -- people like Byron Katie, who actually give you techniques for understanding your projection-stories and getting Life Now. That's it. Enjoy! Much Love, Rory To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! 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