--- In [email protected], Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > Well thank god Peter that you have nothing of > > substance to add and > > dwell on tiertiary allusions of humor. > > K > > > > > > > So the point still holds: if one talks about > > something > > from a basis of experience to a person who has an > > experiential basis > > to understand it, the conversation is meaningful to > > both. > > Absolutely. Never said anything different.
Then your hang up appears to be your implied assumption that few meditators have had the experience of "no doer". > > It is the height of arrogance and manifest ego to > > claim the ability to > > diagnose anothers expereince from afar, judge it > > inferior, and > > proclaim only an elite can possible understand what > > you the apparent > > brahmin priest proclaims. > Well, I obviously don't see myself as doing this, HAHA. Yes, Self-reflction can be hard. Let me help. You make constant admonitions to the list -- to readers who you assume have never had the experience of "non-doer". (If you assumed otherwise, then by your own internal guidelines that you have shared with us, you would not feel compelled to make such admonitions.) Hence you appear to be making assumptions, false ones IMO, about other people's experience. Its really not a mystery peter. Its odd you don't see it. > but > I can certainly understand why you see me doing this. Ah there you go again. > I don't judge anyone's experience as inferior or > superior. However, when someone starts talking about > experinces of CC it is very clear, if you have had > such experiences, if they are speaking out of > conceptual belief or direct experince. oogga booga. Certainly contradicts what MMY and SSRS have said, but what do they know. NOTHING! > I know this > sounds arrogant and elitist, but it is not. Walks like a duck, talks like a duck ... > Until a > person has experiences of a certain nature they can't > speak about higher states of consciousness with any > authority. You certainly seem enamoured with having authrity. In what realm do you most seek it? > It's just speculation based on conceptual > models firmly rooted in waking state. This bugs you. There you go again. Feeling you know others peoples minds. > I can understand that it would. With your filters and manifest interpretive framework that you share with us, that doeswn't surprise me that you think this. > I'm not going to stop > doing it, Oh joy. Because it a compulsion? Because the gunas make you do it? Because you are always right? Becasue, well, damn the facts? > nor are you going to stop complaining about > me doing it! Not complaining, just pointing out obvious BS. Its a hobby. It brings me great joy and laughter. You often keep me laughing all day. Thank you for that. > So it doesn't really matter what we say > to one another. Yes, the hill of beans theory. Its one of my favorites too. Jai Humphrey. > If someone talks about something that > they have no experience in I'm going to tell them, > hopefully relatively politely, that they don't know > what they are talking about. And who are you talking to that has no experience of "no-doer"? To me? to Rick? To Vaj? To RJ? To Tom? To Alex? To LB? To Mark? To Rory? To Sal? To Peter K? To AtMan? To Michael? To off? To Irmeli? Perhaps everyone who has not had the experience of "non-doer" can send you a private e-mail, and when someone on the list says something that you think may confuse these poor ignorant souls, then you can e-mail them privately with your running commentary, telling them which posts to beware of lest they become deluded and paralyzed with inaction. > Of course they'll take ffense at this, but it still doesn't change the > obvious fact that they don't know what they are > talking about. Again, who specifically has not had the "no-doer" experience and thus does not know what they are talking about experiencially? Name names. Or are you just lost in an abstraction that bears little linkage to the reality of readers of this list? > There are several people in this > newsgroup that know exactly what they are talking > about in both relative and absolute domains There you go again. > I learn quite > abit from them. But if you are experientially grounded, why would you need them to explain things to you? > I just don't suffer fools, that's all. Often thats a retort by people with tender, yet quite swollen, egos. "I love the smell of arrogance in the morning. It smells like, like Victory." (with my best robert duvall imitation) And I guess one of the fools would be me. I am always impressed by humble people. Who suffer fools gladly. Who daily proclaim their own foolishness. I love Pundit -ji. And tell us peter, who is it that is suffering? Who is behind the "I am suffering" thought? > Especially when it comes to Knowledge. Oh yes, we must get particularly self-righteous when it comes to "THE KNOWLEDGE" (solemn music playing). But in which scripture did it say that "Go out unto the people, and proclaimeth the Truth from the depth of your soul and lungs, that they may not be deluded by false prohets and understandings and cometh under the sway of the devil and thus become paralyzed with inaction. Deeply scutinize every person you cometh in contact with, Judge them deeply as you love to be Judged, and if there is any shread of doubt that they are experientially blessed, poundeth the truth of thier ignorance thru their deep skulls, so tediously that their minds will snap from boredom and they will falleth into the gap and thus Becometh Experienced" ? Which scripture? Sounds like a bad ass religion to me. But I favor the approach of Sri Jimi. He just sang in cool, inviting tones, "Are you Experienced? Have you ever been Experienced? " And the masses nodded. "I am the big goofy FOOL" Akasha FOOLISH III -- the one wearing the chicken suit in the balcony, standing on his head, shoouting obscenties backwards. Opps, no sorry, thats RJ. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! 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