I love this, RudraJoe! Heart comes through loud and clear. So what's the problem?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "rudra_joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's said Rory, that thoughts of the Absolute are the greatest sin of all because the Absolute can only be aprehended in no-thought. You have chosen to write in the Brahman Consciousness viewpoint, one which I do not acknowledge. For I am a Buddhist. I only recognize the Three Buddha Bodies. > > The difference being that the Three Buddha Bodies do not reify the ego, because of a subtle twist of the intellect through using the notion of 'void' versus the Hindu notion of 'God.' > > So I do not formally acknowledge the Absolute at all, but focus entirely on the relative when not meditating. (Except when meditation in action. ) The Absolute may know the Absolute or it may not, the relative takes care of itself, all the better when the mind merely lets go of it as well. > > I'm contrasting these two religious viewpoints to submit to you that in spite of your assumption of Brahman your ego is reifying the viewpoint also of Brahman, which means you cannot use the mind on the relative task at hand. I submit that if you're able to maintain both things, the relative working on the relative and the Absolute Absolute, then there is in fact no need to mix the two states as per convention because mixing them confuses them, and also confuses other beings. > > Moreover, and this is my real point, that the highest state of awareness also brings with it the most acute understanding of pain, temporality, and death, and therefore also brings compassion. It's for this reason that all the deities have fangs, or blood dripping or head malas, or stand on corpses, or are crucified, or hamstrung, or minced into countless atoms. > > If you cannot formally acknowledge the depth and suffering of beings simultaneously with your 'Brahman' then that state is shallow. But I'll submit that you most likely can, and that, since emotion is tejas it will brighten the entire vaishravana lake when angry, and so on. Yada yada. Which also why the admonitions about how a split second of anger can destroy the tapas of lifetimes. Yada yada > > Yada yada > Yada yada > Yada yada > Yada yada > Yada yada > > Being Brahman in action is mentally divisive. I mean, I'm doing the same thing actually all the time, except that I'm trying to be the Three Buddha Bodies. I find it really spaces me out and makes me so aware of my enviroment including the mental vibes that my brain starts to fry, which is why I am always damping down with drugs. I have to focus. I decided I have a condition which isn't formally acknowledged in Western medicine: > > To wit, as soon as I try I get so unbounded that my hold on everything slips clean away and I space out bigtime. If I even so much as meditate for ten minutes once a day with TM. It has to do with soma production. Soma makes me space out hard. It also makes me so calm that it makes motion very difficult. > > By profession I have to focus and I have to move. So I must also balance the two things. For the benefit of Kirk, it would have been best if he had never learned TM at all because after every TM session when Kirk's mind clears, he can't stand it and goes and darkens the mirror. It's a condition this playing hide and seek, and yet, all the cool people wear shades. (Because the shades cool one down.) > > However, the cool looking shades of drug abuse aren't in fact cool at all but of the nature of mara, and when one trys to deny them they screech and drag their claws through ones nerves. On the other hand the wrathful deities of cognition really enjoy cognitive or empathogen/entheogen drugs, as people who make breakthrough into clear speech with the deities on DMT will tell you, the deities are always thrilled when someone gets the vision and voice because it's quite rare, or almost unheard of. I'm not saying difficult though as it's easily possible, especially now. > > I mean Jesus, with the atmosphere of the world having had its astral body almost burned off there's much less basic samsara for all humans to worry about during meditation. I remember when the astral still existed, it was really disgusting. It's gone now. It disappeared at about the Taste of Utopia conference. However the causal or mental body still exists and it is very willfull and full of conflict, expect it to go next, and then watch out as humans all start to act like asuras or devas. Yet there may still be collective pools of astral reified by the participants who just cannot let go of their own emotional pollution. For those samsaric beings we must have compassion. But a quick upward glance or even the slightest aspiration is enough now to bring a clearing. > > You say nothing but Brahman ever existed. I say Brahman is still a relative state, a state of relatively identifying the Absolute, I speak instead to the opposite state where one absolutely identifies the relative. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rory Goff > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 10:45 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Join Bhagavad Gita discussion > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "rudra_joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > ---OK, but you didn't answer my question once when I said can you > tie the mercurial to the saturnian? > > Rory wrote: > I don't recall your asking me this, sorry. I don't see a need to tie > them together, any more than I need to tie my buttock (saturn) to my > throat (mercury). They seem to take care of themselves nicely > without my having to micromanage it all. Those Hitlerian or > Nietzschian fantasies you spoke of can evaporate pretty damn fast > when Brahman has you and it becomes abundantly obvious that you > are/have always been utterly perfect (just like the world) and no > better and no worse than the dog feces by that fire hydrant. > Literally. > > RudraJoe wrote: > <snip> A beneficient mercury with a good saturn would make for a > stable heaven on earth. If those two conditions change for everyone > then how can heaven on earth be stable? If I forget remind that I > once had an answer to this before it runs away. > > Rory wrote: > Heaven on Earth doesn't depend on anyone except You, as far as You > are concerned. Once you jump in, the whole world changes; You ARE > the whole world. This may not be a lot of fun at first (although it > is an immense relief) but it can warm up pretty quickly to sustain > any level of love/ecstasy. The paradox is -- always changing, ever > the same. How do these two qualities can co-exist -- impermanence > and permanence? How can the Impersonal, unchanging Abyss can also be > Lively and Personal? I can only say, it just IS. One of those > paradoxical qualities one can't wrap one's head around so long as > one stays in slice-and-dice rational spacetime. Have to be > wholehearted to embrace it all -- jump right into the Abyss, > fearlessly and with full trust. > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- > Yahoo! Groups Links > > a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > b.. 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