Thanks Kirk and Rory! Better than a table tennis match! What a brilliant volley, sustained by Established Silence!
Yes, I realize it was not competition, just pure heartful discourse. Absolutely wonderful! The play of life gracefully and elegantly compressed to one act. Bravo! Bravo! Jim --- In [email protected], "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Rory wrote: > > WHOSE Suffering? WHO is suffering? > > > > :-) > "rudra_joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > ---You keep saying this. I am suffering, always. Always. I go from > thing to thing always wanting more. > > Rory: > Bingo! Only "I" is suffering; the rest is a mirror. But actually, > no "I" don't. That is Self (or non-self if you prefer) believing it > is the dream, believing it is self, the ego, some thought/feeling or > other; that which changes. When we impose some condition on what IS, > we suffer. > > RudraJoe: > >When I'm hungry I feel weak. > > Rory: > Yes, when the body is hungry it feels weak. So? > > RudraJoe: > >When I run out of weed my mind gets really pitta and feels like > exploding. Like now. > > Rory: > Yes, the mind feels like exploding. So? > > RudraJoe: > >No suffering? Good for you. The suffering I feel is the source of > my desire for liberation. > > Rory: > How the hell can you desire what you already ARE? Fool! :-) > > RudraJoe: > >And always was. The fact of constant change makes all relative > solutions invalid. > > Rory: > Bingo. So? Why keep on identifying with them then? Obviously > attempting to identify with impermanence causes suffering. Nature's > way of telling us we are thinking something incorrect, something > which IS not. > > RudraJoe: > >Sure, I absolutely don't suffer, as when I stepped out of time when > my father died. But karmically speaking, I have been caught up in > suffering since I entered the womb and every day and moment since > then. > > Rory: > Yes, constantly identifying with the movie of one's own projecting. > Suffering. > > RudraJoe: > >Except when I was fucked up or in samadhi. But my guess is also > that if you were you wouldn't be asking vapid questions. > > Rory: > I am here because I have absolutely nothing better to do than to > better Understand You, and so to better Understand mySelf. > > RudraJoe: > >If we understand that we are the Absolute then can we understand > that someone must cook and someone must wash dishes. Otherwise, no > cooking, no eating, much suffering. > > Rory: > Still drawing a distinction between Absolute and Relative. Both just > concepts. What IS, is neither Absolute nor Relative -- isn't it? > > RudraJoe: > >Heaven on Earth is right now, as I have always maintained, but > being relative heaven must also change and so is not a solution to > misery. > > Rory: > Can't pin our "oughts" and shoulds" on anything; that way lies > madness. Relative is just a concept. Inside and outside, self and > other are just concepts. Believing in concepts implies suffering. > > RudraJoe: > Nonetheless, heaven must be served, how do you take yours? I would > be glad to hook it up if I could. > > Rory: > Love you, Kirk! Thanks for trying so hard. I do appreciate it. We > already are what we're striving for; we just forget sometimes. > > Your Buddha-buddy :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
