--- In [email protected], "rudra_joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Fascinating, and it is more interesting because it seems to outline religious > figures more than the average person. Consider the 'manic' person it paints with self tweaked chemicals and spending sprees, with religious visions and so on, to quote: > > "Sadly, among today's "bipolars" manic exuberance can spin out of > control. Euphoria may be accompanied by hyperactivity, sleeplessness, chaotically racing ideas, pressure of speech and grandiose thought. Hyper-sexuality, financial excesses and religious delusions are common. So is rampant egomania. Sometimes dysphoria may occur. In dysphoric mania the manic "high" is actually unpleasant. The excited subject may be angry, agitated, panicky, paranoid, and destructive. When in the grip of classic euphoric mania, however, it's hard to recognise that anyone might think anything is wrong. This is because everything feels utterly right. To suppose otherwise is like going to Heaven and then being invited to believe there has been a mistake. It's not credible." > > Really great article. Thanks much. I agree with some as you know since I have > touted the Shulgin art. And hypothesized that in the future we will travel to the stars and harvest all sorts of strange and new things, and then to boot, the Earth will become in fact the primordial initiative of higher reflective intelligence for the womb of the universe... > > On the other hand, the tweaking of the brain to acheive the ecstatic state, > creates a personal and moral conundrum, which I may buy, but which not all people will buy. So there always will be those who fall short of perfection, from the ambrosial side, and the personal side. And so what will happen? Will they be forced to dope up at school for the day, similar to the notion of doing TM in schools? I mean I love TM, just as I love drugs, for similar reasons, for much the reasons that this article links. Religion leads to an ecstacy that when it wears off can be reinstated similarly through drugs. Yes, the two steps of evolution. Rest, and partying. > > I would like to think that this combo could be used to permanently enlighten > everybody who so aspired. Der, stupid me, what am I saying, that's why such things have always existed. > > (It's bizarre that society has no real place for mind enhancing or expanding > drugs, and my guess is that samsara ends in nirvana, and nirvana is just not sellable. Der stupid me, look at Maharishi. Looks to be we can integrate nirvana into society through commerce, or so some think. I mean, I really like Amrit Kalash, Thank Dwivedi. Is his picture still on the bottle. But I swear, it takes about ten a day to get the same bliss as a joint. The price is about the same though at that rate. It's better for the lungs but people who take it tend not to live very ling as per King, Henning, Skip and the others who all died from strange pop up diseases. ((On my computer the name of this typeface which you all arent seeing is called shruti)) > > Which is why cops really exist, that is, to keep our brain chemicals tweaked > towards socialization by providing a cordition for the mind. When nirvana is acheived then mine and yours, and me and you all merge into one awareness, and that can seriously terrify the dualistic tendencies. So cops are there. The world is a straight moral conundrum which is a mirror and is the apocalypse continually. For the brain chemicals. Mirrored in society there will always exist ignorance since ignorance is the very potential for enlightenment and is the secret power of the sage. Self ignorance, not ignorance of others. In ignorance is the potential of enlightenment. In this world. > > Compassion is what is needed for proper training. Or else one will live in > unity as a demon, eating people's hearts like Dahmer. Or in religious fervor set off bombs because they too are natural law. > > I mean this artical should be read by every Muslim and Christian and Hindu > and every other warring religious sect. Your religion is killing you and killing others just because you can't maintain your brains. You=rhetorically speaking. > > I don't think moral choice can ever be taken away from humans in spite of > hedonic imperative. Because one needs to learn to maintain tain tain tain tain tain tain. Rudra- I'm not sure I follow everything you say except for rest and partying. Drugs have a place throughout history in the seekers life.It seems to me that finding a balance and real guidance along the way are the most difficult of all to find.
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