--- In [email protected], Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > How can any mantra which doesn't have the Pranava bring Liberation?
> > What TM mantra includes "OM"?
> 
> Apparently it can, if you believe the many long-time TM
practitioners in FF  who say they have awakened.

"long-time TM practitioners in FF" -- that may be your first clue. 

"long-time TM practitioners in FF" who also at times believed any
number of fantastic (as in fantasy) things, abilities, projects, etc.
spoke about them authoratatively, and deeply believed them -- until
time eventually woke them up to the dream-like facade of their
beliefs. Why should we suddenly find such people credible now?

And if one proclams they have become awakened -- wonder deeply about
that! Who wakes up? What was eternally there, always awake? 

I suspect some of these such awakened will also gladly tell you about
other spiritual wonders they have achieved and gained.  Who gained what?

I suppose one strategy is to simply laud these people, tell them what
great shining souls they are (if you can avoid snickering), that they
have obtained such great attainments, that they indeed are the blessed
ones, that they, they, they, they .... until their false ego, puffed
up by lots of spirutal talk, bursts with a big silent poof!








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