Good evening Akasha:

On May 13, 2005, at 9:57 PM, akasha_108 wrote:

> [Question: what are the practices -- or names / sources for such in
> using bliss with relationship to emptiness and compassion? In other
> words, when when one is overcome with bliss, how can it be utilized
> for tantric practice?]

The practices involving bliss and emptiness are parts of the 
"completion state" practices of inner tantra. In general, when one 
receives a deity mantra, one receives it's seed syllable and the longer 
"chain" of mantra, the dharani. In the first stages of practice, one 
takes this basis and builds the divine dimension of that being--it's 
mandala. This is called the "generation stage"--you try to duplicate 
the dimension of the deity as it was experienced by the originator of 
that particular manifestation (i.e the yogi who had the initial 
experience of this dimension). In the completion stage you use the 
channels and chakra to generate bliss as the basis to explore what 
bliss rides on top of: emptiness. This is really the bliss of fusion of 
opposites. This is usually a heat-based yoga whereby one can generate 
enough heat to live in Himalayan conditions in just light clothing. It 
works with the nectar(s) of the crown chakra and the fire-in-the-belly 
(the navel chakra). This is called Tummo (Tib.: gtummo). One uses the 
"four-joys" to unveil higher levels of emptiness and ultimately the 
clear light.

In the non-dual schools one might just use hatha-yoga linked with 
pranayama and knowledge of the channels, chakras and bindus to generate 
bliss. This is an easier method as the previous mentioned involves a 
lot of practice and many details. Personally I find it easier to 
discard with the incredible detail and focus on essentials. This 
practice is known as Tsa-lung or the practice of channels and prana.

> TWO forms of bliss exist
> - Conditional bliss which depends entirely upon non-empty forms, sense
> stimuli and concepts and feelings for its generation and experience.
> - Non-conditional bliss which depends for its generation on empty
> forms or on the perception of emptiness in general, on imagined
> visualised forms and concepts, etc.
>
> [Question: this doesn't seem right -- per experience, bliss occurs and
> is not dependent solely on thse things. Are  these two forms of bliss
> a correct view per tantra? ]
>

Yes--I think what these are referring to are some really esoteric 
divisions in the higher generation of bliss/emptiness: one uses a 
*visualized* consort (an "empty form"), the other uses an actual 
physical consort. In order to even approach this level of practice, one 
has to have truly no attachment whatsoever to the idea of physical 
sexual congress. The basic idea is that you need to fuse your subtle 
body with that of your beloved deity. This generates heat and bliss. 
You use this to stare into what bliss rides on top of.


Here is an old post I put up on tis very topic:

From: Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:56:34 -0500
To: [email protected]
Subject:  Pith Advice on Bliss and Nonduality

pith advice from Lama Yeshe from _The Bliss of Inner Fire_

fr. the section "Discovering Totality" ch. 18 "Good things and Bad
Things Can Happen"

This is very helpful in it explanation of how to use bliss to discover
and experience the non-dual state and also as a warning on experiences
such as spontaneous movements, kundalini problems/prana disorders and
various "telepathic" phenomena. -S.



   BLISS AND NONDUALITY

Whenever heat begins, bliss begins. This is because of the power
the absorption of the winds, the power of the short a [a component of
the subtle anatomy], the power to concentration, and the power of the
melting of the drops within the central channel. You really taste the
chocolate when all these factors are gathered together.

During inner fire meditation, it is important to recognize the blissful
nature of any heat-in fact, of every physical and mental sensation that
arises. You should also recognize its nature of nonduality, clarity,
radiance, transparency, and its reflection-like quality, so that the
bliss itself becomes the wisdom of nonduality. Also, whenever you
experience nonduality, you should recognize its blissful character.

        As soon as we feel any bliss, we should put effort into generating the
wisdom of nonduality. This is important from the very beginning. The
bliss itself should be digested and transformed into wisdom. Bliss
becomes wisdom, wisdom becomes bliss. Otherwise, the experience becomes
one of ordinary pleasure, an explosion of emotional desire and
superstition. If we constructively build up the unification of bliss
and nonduality, there is no danger of this happening.

        If you don't have a strong comprehension of the non-self-existence of
the bliss, there is a danger of experiencing overwhelming desire when
you are not meditating as well. Whenever you open your eyes, many
objects will magnetically attract you because your desire is aroused.
If inner fire meditation produces more and more desire, you will become
nervous, frustrated, and stressed.

        When we experience any pleasure, we normally grasp at it, and our mind
becomes dark, overwhelmed, and uncontrolled. Our pleasure becomes an
obstacle that blocks us, like a wall; it is so concrete that we cannot
see beyond it.

        This comes about because we do not understand the fundamental nondual
nature of existence. Without this understanding, inner fire meditation
can produce tremendous sensory energy. If we are not careful and do not
channel the energy in the right way, inner fire can produce tremendous
desire.

        However, this does not mean that we should not have pleasure. We
should have pleasure! We can have incredible pleasure, but it has to be
controlled so that it can be transformed into clean-clear penetrative
wisdom. It is good for human beings to experience pleasure, but it is
wrong to experience it without wisdom. The unique quality of tantra is
that it always unifies the male energy of bliss with the female energy
of wisdom. These two must always occur together. We must put effort
into ensuring this, because for so long this has not been our habit.

        Remember, the right inner fire should bring the unification of bliss
and the wisdom of nonduality. It is dangerous to forget this, because
inner fire meditation is a very sensitive technique. Something will
definitely happen, and if good things are not happening, bad things
surely will.


UNCONTROLLED KUNDALINI

According to Lama Tsongkhapa, to melt the kundalini at the crown
effectively, the inner fire must be ignited at both the navel and
secret chakras and the winds must absorb into the central channel. This
brings the yogi or yogini the experience of the four joys.

        He points out that ordinary people, whose airs have not even entered
the central channel, can also experience the melting of kundalini when
the navel and secret chakras are energized. This is what causes
ordinary orgasm. Some people experience this uncontrolled flow of
kundalini during meditation. Simply by performing the vase breathing
meditation, they experience blazing of the inner fire and melting of
the kundalini. Blissful kundalini seems to come from everywhere, like
falling rain. When this happens, there is danger of losing control of
the kundalini energy. A man, for example, would lose semen.

        Lama Tsongkhapa says that it is not desirable to have the kundalini
flow uncontrollably. It is not correct to do inner fire meditation in
the morning and have the kundalini flow spontaneously in the afternoon.
There is a danger that it will merely increase ordinary physical
desire.

        Because kundalini is the main resource that we use in inner fire
meditation, it is important for both males and females not to lose
their sexual energy. Naturally, as beginners, we will find it difficult
to control the energy when we experience it strongly; we have limited
concentration and have not yet learned how to bring the airs into the
central channel.

        As Lama Tsongkhapa explains, it is not good to lose too much kundalini
energy during meditation, but it is natural to lose a little
occasionally. Don't panic and think, "Oh, I have lost some kundalini
energy. Now I have broken my vows." When you are a beginner, you
sometimes lose kundalini drops. Don't worry about it. I lose it
sometimes, and I don't worry about it.

        Losing a small drop of liquid during your meditation causes no real
damage or loss of strength. It does not make you unable to facilitate
the kundalini. However, experiencing orgasm through sexual contact or
during sleep will cause loss of this facility and damage your strength.
You can discover this through your own experience. When you lose
kundalini energy strongly in meditation, the significant point is not
that you are breaking your vow but that you are losing the strength of
your kundalini. The physical exercises and concentration will help you
to develop control.

        Control of kundalini energy is important even in ordinary orgasm. You
cannot have a perfect orgasm if you cannot control your energy. It is
the same in tantra. You cannot experience perfect bliss if you cannot
control your energy. The fact is that if we lose our energy, we have no
energy to utilize. In order to use energy, we need energy. If we don't
have it, we cannot use it. This is logical, and you can see it clearly
from your own experience. When you concentrate well and control your
energy, you can experience more bliss, which you then unify with the
wisdom of nonduality.

        If kundalini starts to flow uncontrollably during your meditation And
you begin to experience orgasm, try as much as possible to hold it and
have it expand inside the secret chakra. Try to hold the energy there
as long as possible. The longer you can hold it, the more pleasure you
will experience and the more possibility you will have of utilizing
that pleasure by unifying it with the universal reality of nonduality.
In this way, you learn to control your body as well as your mind.

        By the way, the semen that comes from the male sex organ during
ordinary orgasm does not come from the central channel. For both males
and females, the energy and bliss of ordinary sexual experience does
not come from the central channel. You should be clear about this. The
bliss of ordinary orgasm is produced by the kundalini touching the
outside of the central channel.

        In the logic of tantric yoga, if the kundalini energy generates such
bliss when it touches the outside of the central channel, there is no
question that it will generate incredible bliss when it flows inside
the central channel. Bringing all the winds into the central channel
gives rise to an experience of incomparable super-bliss.

        Drawing the airs into the central channel and activating this bliss is
mainly accomplished through the power of concentration. Therefore,
someone who loses kundalini energy because they are living the normal
life of a layperson can still be successful in the practice of inner
heat yoga as long as they can maintain strong concentration during
inner fire meditation. This is logical. Naturally, those who have weak
concentration and also lose physical energy in this way will find it
difficult to generate strong blissful energy.

        Practitioners who experience uncontrolled leaking of kundalini before
the airs have absorbed into the central channel must remember to bring
the energy back up the channel before completely losing control. Lama
Tsongkhapa points out that practitioners who lack strong concentration
will find the kundalini more difficult to control the lower down it
flows, especially if it flows below the navel chakra.

        It is important to be aware of the point from which you must begin to
reverse the flow of energy. Not only must this energy be brought back
up, but it also must be spread throughout the nervous system. It can be
dangerous and produce illness if it becomes blocked in any place. Lama
Tsongkhapa is giving this advice from his own experience so you should
try to understand clearly what he is saying.

        The Kagyu tradition teaches many different techniques for reversing
the downward flow of energy, but Lama Tsongkhapa mentions only one in
_Having the Three Convictions_. Visualizing yourself as
deity, you sit in the full lotus position with your head bent a little
forward. Your hands are placed together in vajra fists at your chest
with the palms inwards and the index fingers stretched up to touch each
other, thus forming a triangle. Your eyes are rolled upward. Gazing
upward helps to draw the energy back up the central channel. The mind
is not using the eye perception; it is contemplating the ham [a seed
syllable] at the crown chakra.

        Pull yourself strongly upward, even curling up your toes. Breathe in a
little, focus on the ham, and repeat the syllable hum twenty-one times.
You feel that the energy is connected all the way down; you are aware
of your secret chakra. As you say ham over and over again, you feel the
energy coming back up. You are concentrating strongly and you keep the
lower muscles tight. Your body is as empty as a balloon, and you can
direct the energy anywhere you want. You bring all the kundalini energy
back up from the secret chakra and spread it at the navel, heart,
throat, and crown chakras. From there, you spread it throughout the
entire body.

        Another technique is to visualize that the inner fire moves downward
and pushes the kundalini back up in the same way that heat pushes up
water when you boil it. Waves of blissful energy come to the heart
chakra and spread throughout it. The blissful waves then continue up to
the throat, crown, and brow chakras and spread through each of them in
turn.

        In his commentary on the completion stage of Chittamani Tara, the
great yogi Je Pabongka explains the following meditation technique to
help deal with uncontrolled kundalini. When the blissful, white nectar
is melted by the inner fire and fills all the chakras down to the navel
chakra, before it flows down into the secret chakra, visualize that it
goes into the right and left channels and eventually fills all the
channels of the entire nervous system. Je Pabongka explained
this easy method in relation to Chittamani Jara practice, but we can
also use it here.


Sometimes during your inner fire meditation, the experience of bliss
will cause your body to shake; this is related to movement of the air
energies. You should not cultivate the idea that this has to happen. To
have a restless body in the beginning is acceptable, but do not allow
it to become a habit because it can be dangerous. Your mind reacts to
the movement of the air, like a plane caught in turbulence; therefore,
as long as the airs are moving, your mind will be distracted. The bliss
of inner fire and the movement of kundalini energy should be gentle,
blissful, peaceful, controlled, and subtle.


TELEPATHIC EXPERIENCES

The Kalachakra Tantra speaks of the kundalini drops as having the
potentiality of heaven and hell, of all the six realms. Inner fire
meditation really shakes our entire nervous system and our entire view
of reality. We don't want to have the energy of the lower realms inside
our nervous system, as though it were sitting there waiting for us to
die. We want to shake it up and bring it now to the navel chakra. When
we do, we may suddenly see hell; we may suddenly be in hell.

        Experiences of heaven and hell during meditation are possible because
the entire universal energy is inside our subtle nervous system and can
manifest from it. The lamas of all traditions agree that practitioners
can suddenly see visions while doing inner fire meditation, as if they
are dreaming. Such experiences are similar to telepathy, but they are
not actual clairvoyance. You are moving in a dimension where there is
telepathic energy, so you suddenly gain what seems like telepathic
power. However, you still lack the attainment of singlepointed
concentration, so don't become too excited. You have not yet gained
clairvoyance.

        Sometimes you may also be able to read other people's thoughts.
Whether or not we call it telepathy, it is obvious that when you become
more aware of the nature of your own mind, you will be more sensitive
to the minds of other people. You will be able to read the minds of
others in accordance with your own level of development. This is
nothing unusual. Again, don't believe that you
actual telepathic powers simply because you have had a few good
experiences, and don't boast to anyone else about them. You should
control your mouth.

However, since the navel chakra is also known as the psychic chakra, if
you want to develop the telepathic power to read other people's minds,
you should put effort into inner fire meditation. The
yogis of the past have stated that telepathic experiences will come.
They are not talking in this way just to attract our interest. However
they also advise us to be careful when these telepathic experiences
start to happen.

        You may see your entire nervous system as clearly as you see some
thing on television. Or you may see different colors; each of the
different air energies has its own characteristic color, so this is
natural. The winds enter the central channel, you touch the awareness
of non duality, and such visions naturally arise.

        You may experience the various visions that occur when the elements
absorb, such as the appearance of a mirage, smoke, sparks, or a dying
candle. Sometimes you may see dakas and dakinis or pure lands. You may
even see the five Buddha families and think, "Wow, the five Buddha
families! Now I must have attained all their qualities!" Seeing these
Buddhas in this way is possible.

        These visions can be distracting, but stay calm. Remain aware of them,
but don't pay them any special attention. It is similar to meditating
with a group of people. Although you don't pay any special attention to
the other people in the group, you are aware when someone moves or does
something. In the same way, maintain your fundamental awareness of the
short a and just relax about whatever else happens.

        It is possible to see incredible visions, both good and bad. Don't
become depressed when they seem bad. It is important to expect
interferences to your practice. Recognize even the bad ones as good, in
that they are signs that your meditation is effective. Do strong
purification practices and meditate intensively on emptiness, which is
the antidote to all interferences.

        Many lamas mention that you may experience problems such as depression
when you practice inner fire meditation. Lama Tsongkhapa does not
mention this in _Having the Three Convictions_, but it
possible. You may expect inner fire meditation to bring only bliss, but
difficulties do sometimes occur.

        At times when your mind feels crowded and unhappy, this simple
meditation might help. Breathe naturally. As you breathe out, feel that
your mind becomes one with clear universal space. Concentrate on his
clear universal space. This meditation can sometimes be useful.


JUST LET GO

Surprising experiences can occur when you meditate on inner fire.
Sometimes they are painful; sometimes they are super-blissful. It is a
very sensitive technique.

        For example, you may suddenly experience an explosion of incredible
bliss. You might think, "Oh, this shouldn't be happening. I should be
meditating on the short a instead of feeling blissful. I am
being distracted by bliss. This is no good!" Or you may reach a certain
point where you see a crystal-clear vision of reality. You might think,
"What is this? I shouldn't be experiencing this. I should concentrate
more on the short a." You mustn't intellectualize like this.

        Sometimes you might feel a primitive sensation, some awareness of
concrete energy or a triangular shape, just below your navel. I'm just
making some projections. Or you might reach a point where you
experience a sort of numbness; you lose the clarity of your meditation
and go into darkness. This is similar to one of the stages of energy
absorption, which you can easily imagine because ordinary orgasm also
brings the experience of energy absorption. Don't panic and think,
"This is wrong. I should keep my meditation on inner fire." Just be
calm. Maintain your fundamental awareness of the short a, and just let
go when these different experiences happen.

        At other times you may feel very pure and think, "Now I must be a
bodhisattva on the first bhumi." This is simply your imagination, not
something real. When you have a good meditation, you may feel you are
special, but don't overestimate. Practicing inner fire meditation with
the thought that you are a great meditator undergoing powerful
experiences is a symptom of ego. Many things happen when we meditate,
so be careful. I worry about the human mind; we always have
expectations, and our expectations are always a problem. We seldom
manage to be reasonable.

        Sometimes terrible feelings will arise, and you will think, "this is
too much! I don't want to meditate any more." When inner fire
meditation becomes a heavy burden, go back to the lam-rim and meditate
on your precious human rebirth. When you check up, you will find that
meditation is the best thing you can do with your life. In this way
lam-rim meditation supports your practice of the Six Yogas of Naropa.

If you experience the nonconceptual wisdom of nonduality, don't think,
"But what about my inner fire meditation? What happened to my short a
and my chakras?" Don't worry. Just let go. In your meditation you
sometimes push the right button and experience a super awareness of
nonduality. If you worry about losing your meditation on inner fire,
you will destroy the experience. Also, if incredibly blissful energy
suddenly arises when you begin inner fire meditation, it is wrong to
think, "Oh, no! I want red-hot inner fire. I don't want bliss.

        You should unify whatever bliss arises with nonduality. However the
bliss can seem to shrink when you emphasize nonduality. Let's say that
you are experiencing a certain amount of clear blissful energy, a ball
of bliss. When you focus on nonduality, your ball of bliss becomes
smaller, but that's okay. Just let go.

        It is the same with the inner fire. Emphasizing its nonduality can
cause the inner fire to become light and small rather than strong and
concrete. As you continue to let go into nonduality, the fire becomes
smaller and smaller, until eventually only a very subtle fire is left.
At a certain point even this subtle fire might disappear. At that time,
again place emphasis on bliss by means of the vase meditation or
whatever technique you use to switch on the bliss. When you push the
right button, the ball of bliss will balloon again.

        When there is strong unity of the nuclear energy of bliss and
nonduality, let go. Whatever blissful energy arises, let go. And when
the energy of nonduality weakens, put more energy into nonduality You
will still have blissful energy, but it will be less and more subtle.
Just let go.

        Throughout the entire process, don't give up your fundamental
penetrative awareness of the short a. And no matter what else happens,
simply let go. Meditation is a state of being. You cannot have
expectations. Each meditation is unique, a new experience. It is
extremely important to let go in meditations such as inner fire.
Intellectual cleverness does not work; it will only cause you to miss
incredibly valuable experiences.

        Our problem is that we often reject valuable experiences because we
don't recognize their value. For example, when you experience bliss
unified with emptiness and the short a disappears from your vision, you
might think, "What is happening to my short a? Should I let it go or
not?" Of course you should let it go! You need to be clean-clear about
this. When you are experiencing such unified bliss, who cares if the
short a disappears?

        As I pointed out at the very beginning, inner fire meditation is
fundamental. It is the foundation stone of all realizations. When you
meditate on inner fire, you are using a secret key to open the door to
all realizations. Listen to your subtle conscious experiences, and let
go.



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