--- Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In [email protected], Peter Sutphen > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It just seemed to be an awful lot of chatter about > > something that is quite simple. It was in serious > > jest. Be still (ala Ramana Maharishi) > > > > Chatter? Oh dear, now I am insulted :). Peter baby, > that's what this > group is all about, talking it out. Running to > "no-self" everytime > the complexity level goes up is no solution.
It isn't? > This is > the realm of > personality and my personality feeds on figuring out > the way things > work. But how can you figure out the way things work when the context of the whole thing is missing? > One end of the spectrum is silent me-less > knowing and the > other end is dynamic intellectual interaction which > I would say is > part of the process of self discovering Self. Up to a certain point. Then it careens off into endless speculation. > > You know the analogy put forth by Akasha the other > day about how the > individual conductor is madly conducting while the > symphony cannot > even see him and plays its music regardless of the > individuals > efforts is usefull to get the attention off of self > importance and > merge with the whole but it is an incomplete > picture. We are left > with the question of why does God need to do > anything at all? She didn't do anything, did she? > God > does not need to do anything but we as individuals > do, Only within the context of waking state. What torture! > and we are > created in the image of God. Who's this "we" ? > God needs to do through > us, we are God > expressing itself, we are God getting confused in > the diversity of > creation. No, "you" don't exist. You just think you exist. That's actually quite funny. A thought thinking that it is absolute. > It's a personal universe. Isn't this > demonstrated in the > inner exercise that you described earlier, where one > focuses on I as > the trailmarker that leads one to the grand "I", I > unbounded, ego > exploded to an all encompassing status not some > selfless automaton > of creation just spinning its 1000 monkey story off > into infinity. Oui, d'accord. > > One more thing; that "be still" comment...I take > that as very > condenscending. Of course maybe that's just me. Yeah, sorry about that. Don't take it personally (because you can't!) It was That just reaching out for That and slapping a bit ;-) Friend to friend. -Peter > > Rick Carlstrom > > --- Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In [email protected], Peter > Sutphen > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > (snipped it) > > > > > > > Rick, you need to visit Ramana Maharishi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter, I am beginning to think that you do not > > > understand what I am > > > talking about. Oh well, it wouldn't be the first > > > time...maybe you > > > need to visit Ramana Maharishi... > > > > > > > > > 1879 Tiruchuzli - Tiruvannamalai 1950 > > > Born in the outskirts of Madura, South India, > > > Venkatraman Aiyer > > > studied at the town's American high school. He > later > > > confided to his > > > followers: "I have read nothing. My knowledge is > > > limited to what I > > > learned before the age of 14 . . . All my > studying > > > was done in > > > former existences and I have had enough of it." > At > > > the age of 17 he > > > was sitting peacefully in his room when suddenly > he > > > was overwhelmed > > > by the terrifying experience of his own death. > He > > > then 'contemplated' the divine source of his > being, > > > the immortal "I" > > > as opposed to the temporary and changeable 'Me'. > > > > > > > > > A Death Experienced > > > "It was in 1896, about 6 weeks before I left > Madurai > > > for good (to go > > > to Tiruvannamalai - Arunachala for good) that > this > > > great change in > > > my life took place. I was sitting alone in a > room on > > > the first floor > > > of my uncle's house. I seldom had any sickness > and > > > on that day there > > > was nothing wrong with my health but a sudden > > > violent fear of death > > > overtook me. There was nothing in my state of > health > > > to account for > > > it nor was there any urge in me to find out > whether > > > there was any > > > account for the fear. I just felt I was going to > die > > > and began > > > thinking what to do about it. It did not occur > to me > > > to consult a > > > doctor or any elders or friends. I felt I had to > > > solve the problem > > > myself then and there. > > > > > > > > > The shock of the fear of death drove my mind > inwards > > > and I said to > > > myself mentally, without actually framing the > words: > > > "Now death has > > > come; what does it mean? What is that called > dying? > > > This body dies." > > > And at once I dramatised the occurrence of > death. I > > > lay with my > > > limbs stretched out still as though rigor mortis > has > > > set in, and > > > imitated a corpse so as to give greater reality > to > > > the enquiry. I > > > held my breath and kept my lips tightly closed > so > > > that no sound > > > could escape, and that neither the word "I" nor > any > > > word could be > > > uttered. "Well then," I said to myself, this > body is > > > dead. It will > > > be carried stiff to the burning ground and there > > > burn and reduced to > > > ashes. But with the death of the body, am I > dead? Is > > > the body I? It > > > is silent and inert, but I feel the full force > of my > > > personality and > > > even the voice of I within me, apart from it. So > I > > > am the Spirit > > > transcending the body. The body dies but the > spirit > > > transcending it > > > cannot be touched by death. That means I am the > > > deathless Spirit. > > > All this was not dull thought; it flashed > through me > > > vividly as > > > living truths which I perceived directly almost > > > without thought > > > process. "I" was something real, the only real > thing > > > about my > > > present state, and all the conscious activity > > > connected with the > > > body was centered on that "I". From that moment > > > onwards, the "I" or > > > Self focussed attention on itself by a powerful > > > fascination. Fear of > > > death vanished once and for all. The ego was > lost in > > > the flood of > > > Self awareness. Absorption continued in the Self > > > continued unbroken > > > from that time. Other thought might come and go > like > > > the various > > > notes of music, but the "I" continued like the > > > fundamental sruti > > > [that which is heard] note which underlies and > > > blends with all other > > > notes. " > > > > > > > === message truncated === Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' 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